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Old 12-11-2012, 04:18 PM  
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:56 AM   #46
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I understand. I wish my girlfriend was more of a freeloader, but she pays $500 a year to the union, while some of her co-workers who make more than twice her salary (because of the union), don't pay at all.
She should quit the union.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:03 AM   #47
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She should quit the union.
She feels obligated to pay because she genuinely appreciates their services. Also, she carpools with a former union leader, and would be bitched at constantly if she didn't pay.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #48
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The unions do provide a service, which is why you see so many people not part of the union (and not employees who benefit but are nonmembers) hate them. Salary increases, time off, benefits.

It's like NPR. They provide a service, and are very relevant. I still don't donate because I'm a freeloader.
I think they did provide a very valuable service at one time. By modern standards, American workers have been through some truly horrible conditions. I've never been part of a union but I freely acknowledge their historical contribution. Times have changed though, in large part thanks to their work. The unions need to change with the times or risk becoming irrelevant. If they aren't willing to change then I don't agree with forcing people to support them.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:13 AM   #49
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She feels obligated to pay because she genuinely appreciates their services. Also, she carpools with a former union leader, and would be bitched at constantly if she didn't pay.
Methinks the second reason is a greater influence than the first. As was stated earlier, the Union simply negotiates the benefits, the company actually pays those costs. I don't know, If the company wants to extend those benefits to non-union employees, it's their choice. Or is it? Seriously I don't know.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:13 AM   #50
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I think they did provide a very valuable service at one time. By modern standards, American workers have been through some truly horrible conditions. I've never been part of a union but I freely acknowledge their historical contribution. Times have changed though, in large part thanks to their work. The unions need to change with the times or risk becoming irrelevant. If they aren't willing to change then I don't agree with forcing people to support them.
What specifically do unions need to change to be more? Historically and currently, they are about advancing the interests of their members -- the workers. What interests do you think they should focus on instead?
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:16 AM   #51
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Methinks the second reason is a greater influence than the first.
And honestly, how the **** would you know that? Don't be stupid.

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As was stated earlier, the Union simply negotiates the benefits, the company actually pays those costs. I don't know, If the company wants to extend those benefits to non-union employees, it's their choice. Or is it? Seriously I don't know.
If you had different standards for union and non-union employees, then everyone would join the union and make it stronger. The point is to strip away the power of the union. Cmon man, keep up!
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:20 AM   #52
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What specifically do unions need to change to be more? Historically and currently, they are about advancing the interests of their members -- the workers. What interests do you think they should focus on instead?
Well, off the top of my head, it doesn't serve them to try to force workers to financially support them who choose not to. Focus on providing contracts with employers that are specific to their members.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:37 AM   #53
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And honestly, how the **** would you know that? Don't be stupid.
I didn't say I knew it, I said I thought it. My evidence lies in the fact that it's even a factor at all. If she was all about the Union, seems to me she wouldn't worry about getting yelled at, she'd probably agree with it. But I digress. I didn't mean to assault her honor that way. Seriously. I apologize.


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If you had different standards for union and non-union employees, then everyone would join the union and make it stronger. The point is to strip away the power of the union. Cmon man, keep up!
So why doesn't the Union push for that? Tell the company that they don't want the negotiated benefits to go to non-union workers? Would certainly bolster membership, would it not?
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:42 AM   #54
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I didn't say I knew it, I said I thought it. My evidence lies in the fact that it's even a factor at all. If she was all about the Union, seems to me she wouldn't worry about getting yelled at, she'd probably agree with it. But I digress. I didn't mean to assault her honor that way. Seriously. I apologize.




So why doesn't the Union push for that? Tell the company that they don't want the negotiated benefits to go to non-union workers? Would certainly bolster membership, would it not?
The union can't dictate squat. The company does not give more than what they are willing to give anyway. In some cases the union gets less because they are stupid and short sighted.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:55 AM   #55
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Save your outrage...I conceded both sides do it--I recall similar instances over past years. I'll let you google them for yourself though.
Outrage? That's funny. There's no comparison.

I decided to google "Tea Party phyically attacks" and found this:



Funny thing; turn out it was a union supporter who slapped Barrett.
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Outrage? That's funny. There's no comparison.

I decided to google "Tea Party phyically attacks" and found this:



Funny thing; turn out it was a union supporter who slapped Barrett.
Yep, looks JUST like the union thugs in the OP...
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Yep, looks JUST like the union thugs in the OP...
Same solution to a confrontation.
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I think they did provide a very valuable service at one time. By modern standards, American workers have been through some truly horrible conditions. I've never been part of a union but I freely acknowledge their historical contribution. Times have changed though, in large part thanks to their work. The unions need to change with the times or risk becoming irrelevant. If they aren't willing to change then I don't agree with forcing people to support them.
I realized that I worded that poorly. I don't agree with forcing workers to financially support unions because they can't create a situation where workers support them voluntarily.
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Bingo.
Funny how that argument works for unions but not for health insurance.
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Gosh...a RWNJ FOX news comedian and 'contributor' deliberately incites those he disagrees with (carrying a camera crew with him) and anyone is surprised that some low-end gene pool types take the bait. Seems to me he got precisely what he wanted.

Wow. Shocking. Bet that a LWNJ MSNBC comedian and 'contributor couldn't get a similar reaction from low-end gene pool types at a "Tea Party" rally. Uh-uh. No way, sir-ree!!
A lazy man's argument and doesn't detract from the fact that this incident certainly supports the concept that unions have become thugs against those who disagree with them.
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