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Old 12-12-2012, 07:26 AM  
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:10 PM   #76
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Mine went up $700 last year with cuts in coverage....more coming.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:15 PM   #78
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$110 here ($9/month).....instead of the $250 to $420 ($24-$35/month) hikes I've seen over the last five years. Gosh, maybe it is working for some of us....
Sure, you don't think the Google dudes can tell the bureaucrats who voted for them? Do you?

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Old 12-13-2012, 01:23 PM   #79
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As has been pointed out a million times, you can take the top 2%'s income tax back to Clinton's rates and fund the gov't for 8 days.

Once again - propagandized. Raising taxes is a fundamentally stupid idea during a never ending recession. Just class warfare - just trying to paint R as rich 2% and evil in order to earn votes. Has nothing at all to do with solving any problems.
I mean 90s rates for everyone--including me. Starting with the top 2%, given the slow recovery (for the rest of us) it makes sense as a good starting point though.

It's a targeted tax hike--at about the only group that has seen big growth. A no-brainer. That's why the polls show a majority of Americans support it; if they thought it would really hurt, they wouldn't. You are the propagandized one.

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I am all for returning to the rates of the 90s, if we can return to the entitlement vs total budget percentages of the 90s

That's where reform of entitlement for baby-boomers complicate the matter--but they must be on the table, if we are serious about reform.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:29 PM   #80
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I mean 90s rates for everyone--including me. Starting with the top 2%, given the slow recovery (for the rest of us) it makes sense as a good starting point though.

It's a targeted tax hike--at about the only group that has seen big growth. A no-brainer. That's why the polls show a majority of Americans support it; if they thought it would really hurt, they wouldn't. You are the propagandized one.




That's where reform of entitlement for baby-boomers complicate the matter--but they must be on the table, if we are serious about reform.
Still does nothing to solve the spending problem or keep entitlements solvent. It's a tax raise for the sake of raising taxes. Nothing more. People have it hard enough right now with food, energy, healthcare and insurance costs going up. Raising taxes is a foolish proposal or made by someone that wants people in crisis.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:36 PM   #81
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Still does nothing to solve the spending problem or keep entitlements solvent. It's a tax raise for the sake of raising taxes. Nothing more. People have it hard enough right now with food, energy, healthcare and insurance costs going up. Raising taxes is a foolish proposal or made by someone that wants people in crisis.
Bullshit. Anyone who understands basic math understands that the only way we ensure solvency for programs is through a balance and combination of spending cuts and a return to more sane tax rates, along with a healthy dose of reform. I understand that all three are neeeded. You apparently think this will all be done with cuts, cuts, and more cuts. I'll assume math is not your strong suit. Cause that ain't gonna happen.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:01 PM   #82
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Bullshit. Anyone who understands basic math understands that the only way we ensure solvency for programs is through a balance and combination of spending cuts and a return to more sane tax rates, along with a healthy dose of reform. I understand that all three are neeeded. You apparently think this will all be done with cuts, cuts, and more cuts. I'll assume math is not your strong suit. Cause that ain't gonna happen.

Angry little liberal, aren't ya? So - your brilliant solution to
Fix an economy with 15%+ real unemployment and rising inflation is to
marginally raise taxes which equate to a pebble of sand on a beach.
That is some excellent math, Mr Puppet.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:44 PM   #83
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That only seems true, because our national sense for "poverty" includes people who are blessed with a pretty decent quality of life, thanks to our social saftey net--yet, technically, are considered impoverished as viewed through our nation's prism of privilege.

There is no question that a much smaller per centage Americans live in the abject poverty today (than did before the war on poverty) because as a society we've chosen to raise the standard. Whether we should do that...or not, is an entirely different argument though.

Comparing poverty in the 60s with poverty today though....is and apples and oranges comparison. And, yes, too many Democrats conveniently gloss over that fact. Perhaps, that is the discussion we should really be having--instead of the false dichotomy of maintaining the status quo (we can't afford it) versus a Draconian gutting of social programs (that the GOP wants.) FTR, that is the real discussion I think we should be having.
You might run into Republicans on message boards who want a "Draconian gutting of social programs", but you don't find any mainstream GOP politicians advocating that. Maybe the real discussion you say you think we should be having is the one we've actually been having and you just didn't realize it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:49 PM   #84
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Tax rates, adjusted for inflation, are lower today....than at any time since the 1950s. And yet all we hear about from the right is the whine for more tax cuts, and how a return to 1990s rates for income taxes and capital gains would ruin the country. What a crock of shit. The 90s were the longest peace-time expansion of the economy in U.S. history--with those rates that many of us would like to see re-implemented.

There also absolutely needs to be entitlement reform, along with real cuts to many programs (including defense spending)--and the Dems need to grow-up on that count. However, this whole trainwreck will not be avoided without a serious discussion about enhancing government revenues as well.
Does that mean that you want all of the Bush tax cuts repealed and not just the ones that impact people making over $250k (or whatever Obama's number is)?

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I mean 90s rates for everyone--including me. Starting with the top 2%, given the slow recovery (for the rest of us) it makes sense as a good starting point though.
What's this about "starting with..."? If returning to the rates of the 90s because that was such a great period of growth, we should return to those rates immediately and across the board, no?
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You should read the article again then because you've still got your facts garbled.
Please point out to me where my facts are garbled.
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Angry little liberal, aren't ya? So - your brilliant solution to
Fix an economy with 15%+ real unemployment and rising inflation is to
marginally raise taxes which equate to a pebble of sand on a beach.
That is some excellent math, Mr Puppet.

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Good one. You're on a roll. Keep going.
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Good one. You're on a roll. Keep going.

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