Connecticut school shooting: 18 children among 27 dead

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'Close to 20' dead in Connecticut school shooting, source says
Newtown, Connecticut (CNN) -- Nearly 20 people died Friday in an elementary school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN.

At least 10 of the dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School were children, the source said. At a news conference Friday afternoon, state police Lt. Paul Vance would say only that there had been "several fatalities."

The school was secure, and the public was not in danger, Vance said.

"Why? Why?" one woman wailed as she walked up a wooded roadway leading from the school.

A parent who was inside the school at the time of the attack said she heard what sounded like at least 100 rounds being fired. She said she saw two school employees who had died.

'I hope my mom is ok': Tweets from the Connecticut school shooting

Hospital officials in neighboring Danbury said they were treating three people wounded in the shooting. Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton said the victims were in "very serious" condition.

The shooter is dead, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Susan Candiotti. The suspect's body is in a classroom at the school, the source said.

A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said a male was being questioned but he is not being called a suspect.

Federal officers in tactical gear were on the scene, coordinating with local and state police. At least four ambulances remained at the school Friday afternoon.

Police have recovered two weapons from the suspect, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, the source said. It's unclear if police killed the suspect.

'It doesn't seem possible' -- parents shocked by school shooting

Police and teachers rushed students from the building as police swarmed the area shortly after the first calls came in, around 9:40 a.m. ET. Officials moved students to a nearby firehouse, where parents frantically sought information about their children.

Third-grader Alexis Wasik said police and teachers barged into her classroom and told students to hide in the corner.

"Everybody was crying," she said. "And I just heard the police officers yelling."

Aerial images from CNN affiliate News 12 New Jersey showed police officers armed with rifles following a dog into woods near the school.

Other officers, some in tactical gear, stood around the school with guns drawn, CNN affiliate WFSB reported.

All schools in the city were on lockdown Friday as police assessed the situation, Vance said.

Gov. Dan Malloy is "horrified" by what happened, a spokesman said.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the Obama administration feels "enormous sympathy" for affected families and pledged federal support for state and local law enforcement.

Newtown is about 60 miles north of New York.

Originally Posted by DaFace

This thread is not a place for discussion about gun control. There's a thread for that here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=261606

People who can't understand that will be banned from this thread.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Sweet. You offering?

Just for you.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

All that said, we're not going to change each other's minds, and I'm not going to derail this thread any further. It is what it is. Today is the biggest tragedy in this country since 9-11 AFAIC.

That's an entirely different topic.

[Bacillus Anthracis]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I would just caution you to think about these things before agreeing to give up your freedoms so easily.

Do you seriously think that you'd stand a chance against a squad of infantry that wanted to take your house? I'm assuming that you think the government would turn us into an Orwellian society the second we didn't have access to nearly every type of small arm that's manufactured.

And say if you were trying to make a stand, wouldn't you rather have an accurate hunting rifle than a handgun? Something with some stopping power and that you could reach out and touch someone with? And if they got into your house, would you rather have a handgun or semi-auto or a shotgun with a pistol grip for close in action? Personally, I'd rather have the shotgun than a .357 or AR-15.

And if you knew your partisan warfare history you'd know that the Soviet partisans harassed and killed the Nazis mainly with hunting rifles, not handguns.

But the fact is, if the federal government could utilize the military to suppress the population, it could do so very easily. It ain't gonna happen anyway, but if it did, we'd all be f'd.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm not sure what you're implying I'm claiming that needs to be confirmed. I agree that poor reporting is poor reporting. My point is that it's not defamation (and shouldn't be).

In this post right here ...

I understand the idea you're getting at, but I just don't think it's realistic to think that the media should be punished for getting something wrong. Should they do their best to verify? Sure. Should gross negligence be illegal? Sure. But think about all of the rumors that are reported about sports, for example. Are you suggesting that everyone who publishes a rumor should be punished? It just doesn't make any sense.

... you seem to indicate that I'm advocating that the media be punished for making an honest mistake. I never said that. Forget the punishment part. I already stated that it's possible they did nothing illegal or anything deserving of a civil action. Already said that.

My point is simply this; news organizations are increasingly sloppy. They often forego verification and confirmation in favor of being "first" with the story. That is bad news. In fact, I would argue that it's reprehensible.

That does not, however, mean that CNN (or whomever) should be, or even could be, punished legally. It does mean that they often demonstrate misplaced priorities which is both a violation of their responsibility to report factual information and potentially dangerous should the public choose to take revenge on an innocent guy and burn down his house because ... "Oopsie! Got that name wrong. Sorry."

FAX

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by FAX

In this post right here ...

I understand the idea you're getting at, but I just don't think it's realistic to think that the media should be punished for getting something wrong. Should they do their best to verify? Sure. Should gross negligence be illegal? Sure. But think about all of the rumors that are reported about sports, for example. Are you suggesting that everyone who publishes a rumor should be punished? It just doesn't make any sense.

... you seem to indicate that I'm advocating that the media be punished for making an honest mistake. I never said that. Forget the punishment part. I already stated that it's possible they did nothing illegal or anything deserving of a civil action. Already said that.

My point is simply this; news organizations are increasingly sloppy. They often forego verification and confirmation in favor of being "first" with the story. That is bad news. In fact, I would argue that it's reprehensible.

That does not, however, mean that CNN (or whomever) should be, or even could be, punished legally. It does mean that they often demonstrate misplaced priorities which is both a violation of their responsibility to report factual information and potentially dangerous should the public choose to take revenge on an innocent guy and burn down his house because ... "Oopsie! Got that name wrong. Sorry."

FAX

In that case, we agree. Sorry to lump you in with those saying the guy deserves financial compensation.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Says the guy that wanted to ban posters who discussed gun control in this thread.......

Gun control is a political issue and there is a ****ing forum dedicated to that.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

That's an entirely different topic.

I would say Katrina was bigger depending on if the kids shot were black or white.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Crush

Gun control is a political issue and there is a ****ing forum dedicated to that.

DaFace will give you a hug if you need one.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Bacillus Anthracis

I don't really understand why gun advocates want to make excuses for this kind of thing. The easy access to firearms is such a glaring issue that it's difficult to figure out what the point is of trying to ignore it. We can never discuss it because it's never the right time and guns aren't really a problem anyway, it's always something else.

The cost in lives is staggering. But if that doesn't matter to you then maybe the drag on the economy that's over $70 billion a year will. And that's why I say that groups like the NRA are driving themselves towards their own end. Incidents' like this will continue to happen and someday there will be enough of a backlash by the public so that an over-reaction will occur and that in addition to handguns and semi-autos you guys may even end up losing your hunting rifles and shotguns; which really would be a bad thing.

What I'm saying is that it's time for gun advocates to begin to have a conversation among themselves and figure out something or else you really will lose your guns some day.

The guy obtained every one of his weapons illegally. Take your political bullshit to DC.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

DaFace will give you a hug if you need one.

Why do you feel the need to troll this thread?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Crush

Why do you feel the need to troll this thread?

Not trolling at all. Why do you feel the need to ask such a stupid question?

[Crush]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Not trolling at all. Why do you feel the need to ask such a stupid question?

I see you're doing your best Donger impersonation.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Not trolling at all. Why do you feel the need to ask such a stupid question?

Says the guy that keeps bitching about the lack of gun control talk in this thread. The last time I checked there was gun control thread in DC.

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Newtown Elementary School Shooting Timeline

[Crush]

Originally Posted by FAX

In this post right here ...

I understand the idea you're getting at, but I just don't think it's realistic to think that the media should be punished for getting something wrong. Should they do their best to verify? Sure. Should gross negligence be illegal? Sure. But think about all of the rumors that are reported about sports, for example. Are you suggesting that everyone who publishes a rumor should be punished? It just doesn't make any sense.

... you seem to indicate that I'm advocating that the media be punished for making an honest mistake. I never said that. Forget the punishment part. I already stated that it's possible they did nothing illegal or anything deserving of a civil action. Already said that.

My point is simply this; news organizations are increasingly sloppy. They often forego verification and confirmation in favor of being "first" with the story. That is bad news. In fact, I would argue that it's reprehensible.

That does not, however, mean that CNN (or whomever) should be, or even could be, punished legally. It does mean that they often demonstrate misplaced priorities which is both a violation of their responsibility to report factual information and potentially dangerous should the public choose to take revenge on an innocent guy and burn down his house because ... "Oopsie! Got that name wrong. Sorry."

FAX

I absolutely agree Mr. FAX. It is pretty sad when the Onion is becoming a more credible news source than the rest of the big boys.