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Connecticut school shooting: 18 children among 27 dead

'Close to 20' dead in Connecticut school shooting, source says
Newtown, Connecticut (CNN) -- Nearly 20 people died Friday in an elementary school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN.

At least 10 of the dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School were children, the source said. At a news conference Friday afternoon, state police Lt. Paul Vance would say only that there had been "several fatalities."

The school was secure, and the public was not in danger, Vance said.

"Why? Why?" one woman wailed as she walked up a wooded roadway leading from the school.

A parent who was inside the school at the time of the attack said she heard what sounded like at least 100 rounds being fired. She said she saw two school employees who had died.

'I hope my mom is ok': Tweets from the Connecticut school shooting

Hospital officials in neighboring Danbury said they were treating three people wounded in the shooting. Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton said the victims were in "very serious" condition.

The shooter is dead, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Susan Candiotti. The suspect's body is in a classroom at the school, the source said.

A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said a male was being questioned but he is not being called a suspect.

Federal officers in tactical gear were on the scene, coordinating with local and state police. At least four ambulances remained at the school Friday afternoon.

Police have recovered two weapons from the suspect, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, the source said. It's unclear if police killed the suspect.

'It doesn't seem possible' -- parents shocked by school shooting

Police and teachers rushed students from the building as police swarmed the area shortly after the first calls came in, around 9:40 a.m. ET. Officials moved students to a nearby firehouse, where parents frantically sought information about their children.

Third-grader Alexis Wasik said police and teachers barged into her classroom and told students to hide in the corner.

"Everybody was crying," she said. "And I just heard the police officers yelling."

Aerial images from CNN affiliate News 12 New Jersey showed police officers armed with rifles following a dog into woods near the school.

Other officers, some in tactical gear, stood around the school with guns drawn, CNN affiliate WFSB reported.

All schools in the city were on lockdown Friday as police assessed the situation, Vance said.

Gov. Dan Malloy is "horrified" by what happened, a spokesman said.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the Obama administration feels "enormous sympathy" for affected families and pledged federal support for state and local law enforcement.

Newtown is about 60 miles north of New York.

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Old 12-14-2012, 06:28 PM   #916
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just saw a clip on TV....... the local priest was talking about comforting the parents of kids killed in the school. One of the parents phones buzzed a appointment reminder.... she needed to take her son to his Boy Scout meeting.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:28 PM   #917
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I think I see where you are coming from. They could use God but aren't allowed to pray in school... right?

School is secular and should be unless it is a private Christian (or insert other religion here) school. There is no rule stating that a student cannot pray, nor one that states that they cannot lead fellow classmates in prayer. It cannot be lead or mandated by the school... which I have no problem with at all.
Definitely. There are plenty of places for all religious people to educate their children with like minded people by like minded people. Public schools are not one of them.
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just saw a clip on TV....... the local priest was talking about comforting the parents of kids killed in the school. One of the parents phones buzzed a appointment reminder.... she needed to take her son to his Boy Scout meeting.
That is brutal. So too will be any birthdays coming up in the next couple of weeks and then there is Christmas...

makes me weep again for my son's friends family.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:31 PM   #919
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Just.......my heart goes out to them. I have hugged my kids almost to the point of freaking them out today. (not really)
When my son came home from school, I hugged him a lot longer than usual.

I choked up a little. He didn't notice.
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I'm not about to waste my time going through every post in this thread, but from what I've read... JFC, people! Get a damn grip!
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:36 PM   #921
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I think Stevie's point is that it sounds stupid to tell all the people mourning the tragedy at the school that they can't pray because its not allowed there (which is factually incorrect because prayer both organized and unorganized occurs at school daily). He's trying to make a nuanced point that we turn to God in times of tragedy regardless of the rules. It's the whole "there are no atheists in foxholes" argument. At least that's my generous guess
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:41 PM   #922
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I think Stevie's point is that it sounds stupid to tell all the people mourning the tragedy at the school that they can't pray because its not allowed there (which is factually incorrect because prayer both organized and unorganized occurs at school daily). He's trying to make a nuanced point that we turn to God in times of tragedy regardless of the rules. It's the whole "there are no atheists in foxholes" argument. At least that's my generous guess

The problem is that he really sucks at communication on a bulletin board. See the myriad posters who claim he's a really good guy in real life in defense of his completely asshole behavior on the bulletin board.
Well if that is his point, then I totally agree. People who feel the need to pray at the site should be allowed to.

I took it that if kids were exposed to God at a young age, more would learn right and wrong, which I think is poor reasoning. And I thought he was insinuating that a faith in God would have somehow prevented this tragedy.

Anyway, I don't even know how religion got brought into this thread. It really doesn't have any baring on the topic about this horrible tragedy.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:44 PM   #923
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When my son came home from school, I hugged him a lot longer than usual.

I choked up a little. He didn't notice.
That is one good thing that comes out of this. The rest of us are reminded of how wonderful our kids are and how lucky we are to have them and their health.
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just saw a clip on TV....... the local priest was talking about comforting the parents of kids killed in the school. One of the parents phones buzzed a appointment reminder.... she needed to take her son to his Boy Scout meeting.
I can't imagine the pain these people are feeling right now! OMG... Unless I had other kids, I don't think I could go on!
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When my son came home from school, I hugged him a lot longer than usual.

I choked up a little. He didn't notice.
We ordered pizza and movies. We have some other kids tonight and that's good, but you're right, the hugs were harder and longer..
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:49 PM   #928
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No, it's usually the psychotropics that cause it. It's friggen amazing to me the coorelation that exists between these drugs and these killers now you guys want to believe it's because they quit taking them? Really? Wow
Well, kinda.

But not really.

If you actually take the time to read my posts on the subject (most of which are practically illegible, so good luck with that), you'll see that I am saying; given the possibility he had mental problems, psychotropic drugs may well have played a role in this tragedy. (I should probably point out that I have a long history as a critic of some pharmaceutical industry practices and, over the years, have made numerous posts on this board to that effect.) However, it's also a fact that many people often respond badly to a sudden discontinuation of a course of medication.

So, we're not saying that the "lack of drugs" was a contributing factor per se. What we're saying is that, if this guy was truly messed up in the brainpan, a sudden interruption in a dosage could have served as a trigger ... or partial trigger.

Hopefully, that clears it up a little for you.

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No, it's usually the psychotropics that cause it. It's friggen amazing to me the coorelation that exists between these drugs and these killers now you guys want to believe it's because they quit taking them? Really? Wow
Not a fan of pharm as you know, but you also know that correlation doesn't equal causation.
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I think Stevie's point is that it sounds stupid to tell all the people mourning the tragedy at the school that they can't pray because its not allowed there (which is factually incorrect because prayer both organized and unorganized occurs at school daily). He's trying to make a nuanced point that we turn to God in times of tragedy regardless of the rules. It's the whole "there are no atheists in foxholes" argument. At least that's my generous guess

The problem is that he really sucks at communication on a bulletin board. See the myriad posters who claim he's a really good guy in real life in defense of his completely asshole behavior on the bulletin board.
NewChief on the personal attack... In this thread. I expected it from some of the regular clowns around here but I am really surprised you jumped on the bandwagon. Especially given your background. I have a lot of respect for your posts even though our pov tends to differ greatly. Just took a bit of a hit I have to say. Probably doesn't matter to you though but that's OK. I just expected more from you.
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