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Old 12-16-2012, 12:04 PM  
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Florida man accused of killing neighbor with a hammer

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THONOTOSASSA, Fla. – A Tampa-Bay area man who authorities say attacked his neighbor with a hammer has been charged with second degree murder with a weapon.
A Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office press release says 28-year-old Jarrett Kyle Brooks was booked into jail late Saturday. It was not immediately known if he has an attorney.
Authorities say Brooks approached Jonathan Acree from behind at a Thonotosassa trailer park, striking him in the head and neck multiple times with a hammer.
Acree was pronounced dead at the hospital.
The sheriff's office SWAT team was called to the home where Brooks was barricaded. Authorities say he surrendered after tear gas was shot into the mobile home. There was no one else in the trailer.
Investigators have not released a motive for the attack.


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Old 12-16-2012, 12:45 PM   #16
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I'm an advocate of the second amendment. But if you want to see it survive, there needs to be a responsible approach to this problem or public opinion is going to turn against those who defend it unintelligently through the use of derision and scorn instead of practical solutions.

You will see the same type of backlash that you saw against the republican party's arcane stances against women's reproductive rights. You have to be reasonable. There has to be pragmatic solutions that trump ideological extremism or else you will unwittingly assist in weakening the second amendment.

It will pay those who value the second amendment to think for themselves instead of taking thier ideological talking points from the NRA lobby.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:47 PM   #17
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penchief I too don't think it is reasonable or feasible for regular citizens to possess automatic weapons without a full FBI background check as well as a extremely expensive license to do so...

Can we agree on this?
Absolutely. That's all I was saying. I think that this thread makes light of the real problem by trying to mock those who feel that measures are needed to address this growing problem.

Not all gun control measures are an attempt to repeal the second amendment. Some are just common sense or good public policy.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:48 PM   #18
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Absolutely. That's all I was saying. I think that this thread makes light of the real problem by trying to mock those who feel that measures are needed to address this growing problem.

Not all gun control measures are an attempt to repeal the second amendment. Some are just common sense or good public policy.
That is already the law now Penchief

If you are meaning semi-automatic then that's another issue, Semi-Auto means 1 bullet per trigger pull.. Totally Different argument
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:52 PM   #19
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That is already the law now Penchief

If you are meaning semi-automatic then that's another issue, Semi-Auto means 1 bullet per trigger pull.. Totally Different argument
Just think that if we went back to black powder guns, a person can only kill 1 other person and while he is reloading everyone else can escape or rush the shooter.

Problem solved.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:53 PM   #20
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Good for you. I don't begrudge you one bit. I just think that many of their positions are irresponsible and their arguments are often dishonest and self-serving.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:53 PM   #21
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I'm an advocate of the second amendment. But if you want to see it survive, there needs to be a responsible approach to this problem or public opinion is going to turn against those who defend it unintelligently through the use of derision and scorn instead of practical solutions.

You will see the same type of backlash that you saw against the republican party's arcane stances against women's reproductive rights. You have to be reasonable. There has to be pragmatic solutions that trump ideological extremism or else you will unwittingly assist in weakening the second amendment.

It will pay those who value the second amendment to think for themselves instead of taking thier ideological talking points from the NRA lobby.
It is pretty simple to me. I own guns and have zero interest in anyone who thinks I need to do anything to continue to own them. A couple of them fall into the assault rifle category. I grew up around them and have never harmed anyone with one. Passing more laws is not the answer. Criminals and crazy people do not obey laws~
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:54 PM   #22
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Just think that if we went back to black powder guns, a person can only kill 1 other person and while he is reloading everyone else can escape or rush the shooter.

Problem solved.
You can never talk to Liberals or those who are deathly afraid of guns
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:55 PM   #23
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Good for you. I don't begrudge you one bit. I just think that many of their positions are irresponsible and their arguments are often dishonest and self-serving.
Wow... I feel the exact same way about the whole Democrat party.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:02 PM   #24
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Good for you. I don't begrudge you one bit. I just think that many of their positions are irresponsible and their arguments are often dishonest and self-serving.
Funny, I don't think they go nearly far enough.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:02 PM   #25
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Wow... I feel the exact same way about the whole Democrat party.
Interesting that you say that when it was the last eight years of an irresponsible and dishonest republican presidency that took us to the brink of collapse in this country. And now the slow arduous task of turning that near disaster around is being accomplished by a democratic president.

I didn't grow up in a political family. We didn't talk much about politics, if at all. But I do remember two things. My stepdad canceling his NRA membership because they had become too political and he didn't feel comfortable with their stances. And my grandmother, who grew up during the depression, once told me over a plate of pancakes that it was always the republicans who made the messes and always the democrats who had to clean up those messes.

So far in my lifetime, both of those things have definitely rung true...

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Old 12-16-2012, 01:09 PM   #26
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You can never talk to Liberals or those who are deathly afraid of guns
Who's afraid of guns? I've been around guns all my life. Shot plenty of guns throughout my life. I served my country....

The problem is that you can't talk with righties who are deathly afraid of anything they don't understand. Everything is perceived as a potential threat to thier manhood or their liberty....

In this case, we have documented evidence of what the consequences are when we don't have a solution to a problem. Righties are always obstructing solutions because they are deathly afraid of change.

They fear the solution more than they care about fixing the problem. Seems like that is the pattern that has come to define the republican party. Scared to death of things that threaten their arcane world view...
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:12 PM   #27
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That is already the law now Penchief

If you are meaning semi-automatic then that's another issue, Semi-Auto means 1 bullet per trigger pull.. Totally Different argument
But yet they don't seem to work. Crazy people still get their hands on assualt weapons and go to schools and malls and shoot innocent people...
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:14 PM   #28
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But yet they don't seem to work. Crazy people still get their hands on assualt weapons and go to schools and malls and shoot innocent people...
You carried an assault weapon in the military, these are not assault weapons used in this crime. You should know this already.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:16 PM   #29
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:19 PM   #30
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You carried an assault weapon in the military, these are not assault weapons used in this crime. You should know this already.
I understand that. But they are still assault weapons. Designed to kill large numbers of people at once...
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