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Old 12-18-2012, 12:57 AM  
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Let's Research Fast and Furious (Obama's gun walking scandal)

We don't actually have to do too much research. It's all pretty well already out there and the left doesn't seem to care when it's brown people being shot.

But for those who are finding it in fashion to talk about gun violence, here is the basic run down of this scandal:

"Operation Fast and Furious - A federal operation dubbed Fast and Furious allowed weapons from the U.S. to pass into the hands of suspected gun smugglers so the arms could be traced to the higher echelons of Mexican drug cartels. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the operation, has lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which have been linked to crimes, including the fatal shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010."

Here is the entire book of coverage that the LA Times put together:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0.storygallery


Make no mistake, if this was an operation that blew up in the face of a Republican, there would be hearing after hearing and likely even impeachment proceedings. It seems kind of hypocritical that when Obama gets caught presiding over the execution of an operation that sells guns to violent drug smugglers (and the guns get traced to horrific murders that include American agents), nobody cares.

I wouldn't mind so much about the left politically capitalizing on the deaths of these kids if they were consistent in their approach to capitalization. But when we have the commander in Chief who sold the guns to violent drug offenders getting on a memorial stage and declaring that something has to be done or we're all small people - that's a bit much to take.

Edit: Here's the wikipedia link to the Obama Gunwalking Scandal -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:58 AM   #16
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Hahaha! This sort of hypocrisy is precious. "Oh we've got to do something about guns and violence! Oh what? The guy I voted for sold semi-automatic weapons to violent drug cartels? Oh, well then... SOMEONE ELSE has to do something about guns and violence! The Republicans! Let the try, the fools!!"

It doesn't bother me anymore that ya'll don't stand on any principle and you're just floating through life on your emotions. It used to. Now I just find it comical.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:57 AM   #17
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I fully agree. The problem is that Obama is claiming executive privilege preventing all the facts from "showing up."
My bad I was attempting to be sarcastic and point out how when something looks bad for obama it is brushed aside and not reported, yet when anything else happens it is reported immediately without fact checking. Such as wild accusations that the shooter is a tea party member (gifford), doctored audio recordings (zimmerman), just ignored (behngazi), and every other incident as well.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:18 PM   #18
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I wouldn't mind so much about the left politically capitalizing on the deaths of these kids if they were consistent in their approach to capitalization. But when we have the commander in Chief who sold the guns to violent drug offenders getting on a memorial stage and declaring that something has to be done or we're all small people - that's a bit much to take.
This is a really lousy comparison. First, Obama's involvement in Fast and Furious has never been established.

But aside from that, guns weren't directed to the cartels because someone wanted to promote gun use. It was to trace them in hopes that it would lead to the cartel leaders. The plan may have failed, but it is not an example of hypocrisy.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:34 PM   #19
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This is a really lousy comparison. First, Obama's involvement in Fast and Furious has never been established.

But aside from that, guns weren't directed to the cartels because someone wanted to promote gun use. It was to trace them in hopes that it would lead to the cartel leaders. The plan may have failed, but it is not an example of hypocrisy.
Wow. How did you type that with just your feet left above the sand?
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:45 PM   #20
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Wow. How did you type that with just your feet left above the sand?
Refuting these absurd assertions isn't that difficult.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:05 PM   #21
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Refuting these absurd assertions isn't that difficult.
If they are so absurd why doesn't he simply unlock the documents and let the American people see what all happened and establish once and for all what his involvement was?
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:07 PM   #22
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I haven't read up pon all this etc; but I find it ironic that this doesn't get as much news/visibility as the gun control issue will in the upcoming months.
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I haven't read up pon all this etc; but I find it ironic that this doesn't get as much news/visibility as the gun control issue will in the upcoming months.
US government armed criminals killing Mexicans < crazy guy stealing guns and killing kids.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:15 PM   #24
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If they are so absurd why doesn't he simply unlock the documents and let the American people see what all happened and establish once and for all what his involvement was?
The absurd part was saying that Obama's "something needs to be done" statement in reference to the school shooting is hypocritcal in light of Fast and Furious, which was an attempt to locate traffickers by tracking guns.

As for executive privilege on the F&F documents, I'm not pretending to know what is in there. But it is not unreasonable, given that is was an undercover criminal investigation, that such information could but current and future covert actions and personnel at risk if it was made public.
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I haven't read up pon all this etc; but I find it ironic that this doesn't get as much news/visibility as the gun control issue will in the upcoming months.
Maybe that's why you find it "ironic."
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Maybe that's why you find it "ironic."
well, that's why I prefaced it.
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The absurd part was saying that Obama's "something needs to be done" statement in reference to the school shooting is hypocritcal in light of Fast and Furious, which was an attempt to locate traffickers by tracking guns.

As for executive privilege on the F&F documents, I'm not pretending to know what is in there. But it is not unreasonable, given that is was an undercover criminal investigation, that such information could but current and future covert actions and personnel at risk if it was made public.
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You are a shameless shill~
I don't see you refuting anything I said. You don't even have to like Obama to come up with what I said, it's common sense. You call me a shill, but insisting that he had something to do with F&F, despite any evidence--what is that? Deranged? Insisting that an operation to find trafficking leaders makes someone a hypocrite for saying "something must be done" about school shootings is just ludicrous.
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I don't see you refuting anything I said. You don't even have to like Obama to come up with what I said, it's common sense. You call me a shill, but insisting that he had something to do with F&F, despite any evidence--what is that? Deranged? Insisting that an operation to find trafficking leaders makes someone a hypocrite for saying "something must be done" about school shootings is just ludicrous.
Naw buddy, you can't sell that. Too many logical holes.
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I don't see you refuting anything I said. You don't even have to like Obama to come up with what I said, it's common sense. You call me a shill, but insisting that he had something to do with F&F, despite any evidence--what is that? Deranged? Insisting that an operation to find trafficking leaders makes someone a hypocrite for saying "something must be done" about school shootings is just ludicrous.
You left wing wackos are the same as right wing wackos. On this subject I have been called a libtard moonbat and a hardcore right winger pardon me if I refuse to take either extreme serious enough to waste the energy~
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