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Old 12-14-2012, 01:26 PM  
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Mental Illness

Some of you may know that I was personally fairly close to Gabby Giffords. I also have a son sitting in a kindergarten class right now. I'm also known as an outspoken liberal on this board.

I have opinions about gun control policies, but I don't see that as the critical issue that links these issues. I agree that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

We as a nation need to have a grown up discussion about our culture. But I think we are missing the issue if we talk about gun control.

We need to talk about these incidents as a function of all sorts of factors, key of which are mental health.

A couple of years ago, I think my son was 3 years old and we were at a video arcade, he wanted to play one of the gun games. Something clicked for me when he asked about that.

I realized that we have created a culture of murder and killing as a form of entertainment. I realized that somehow we as a society have embraced murder as a game or entertainment. And for some reason, rape sits squrely on the other side of the line of acceptability.

We don't make movies or video games that glorify rape. That crosses a universally unacceptable like that somehow murder doesn't cross.

When I realized this contradiction in our social make up, I made a choice that I was not going to allow my son to engage in games that treat violence as a game. I started to teaching him that guns are dangerous machines should be treated with extraordinary care. And that they can but used in a lot of ways including for violence. That they aren't toys. We agreed that he wouldn't play video games that treat killing as a game. But in return, when he is old enough, we would go learn how to operate a gun and that he'd get to experience shooting a gun in a responsible way.

I say all of this because I think there is a 3rd way to have this discussion. We can protect gun rights. We can talk about our culture. We need to discuss the role of mental illness in these incidents.

It doesn't have to be a dumbed down discussion where one side focuses exclusively on banning guns and the other side focuses on expanding access to guns.

This is a multidimensional issue that demands a grown up discussion.

I guess this is my opportunity to share my thoughts in hope that it's a contribution to that effort.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:31 PM   #2
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Maybe it's time to start protecting society from broken people.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:32 PM   #3
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I think it's important to teach your kids to respect firearms and other people, and not worship guns etc. The problem is that you can't even count on many parents to give their kids dinner, much less teach them right and wrong. So, I don't know how to fix it. Not that you shouldn't try.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:33 PM   #4
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Maybe evil like this ought to be kept behind bars--before they snap?
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:34 PM   #5
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Maybe evil like this ought to be kept behind bars--before they snap?
How do you do that?
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:34 PM   #6
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We have a very strong, damaging rape culture in this country, jAZ.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:36 PM   #7
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How do you do that?
Dunno, but I'm guessin' there were some pretty clear signs in the lives of those responsible that were "forgiven" and/or "ignored" by those around them. 10:1 odds.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:37 PM   #8
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Does anybody just snap, or are there always signs? I would think there are always signs that the closest people can detect. Maybe mental health issues should be taught in schools like math and English. Maybe ethics should be taught.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:37 PM   #9
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Video games have nothing to do with this. My friends and I used to run around "killing" each other with toy guns all the time.

These people are probably all on prescription drugs given to them by their doctor.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:39 PM   #10
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Video games have nothing to do with this. My friends and I used to run around "killing" each other with toy guns all the time.

These people are probably all on prescription drugs given to them by their doctor.
Well, we have enough of a population to start studying them. Younger, white, males.

Are they on prescriptions? I believe the Aurora shooter was.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:40 PM   #11
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This country doesn't take mental health seriously. We never deal with emotions and think a pill will make everything ok. Is it a coincidence that school shootings have gone up since mental health funding was cut in the 80s?
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #12
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This country doesn't take mental health seriously. We never deal with emotions and think a pill will make everything ok. Is it a coincidence that school shootings have gone up since mental health funding was cut in the 80s?
If true, that would be interesting to study.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #13
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It's all about the psychotropics. There is a huge history there that never gets addressed. Good thread jaz.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:46 PM   #14
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Maybe evil like this ought to be kept behind bars--before they snap?
I see where you are coming from, but locking people up for a potential of violence is a scary proposition.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:51 PM   #15
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