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Old 12-21-2012, 08:27 AM  
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The Dramatic Dem Hypocrisy on Gun Control

Pelosi: Harry Reid and 'Big Money' Are the Reasons I Didn't Hold Any Votes on Gun Control from 2009 to 2011

At a press conference in the Capitol on Wednesday, House Democrats lashed out at opponents of new gun control measures.

“There are no arguments against doing something,” said Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut. “The notion that more Americans, quote unquote, in the words of Governor Perry ‘packing heat’ will make us safer is not founded in reality, facts, or history. It is founded in the fantasy of testosterone-laden individuals who have blood on their hands for articulating that idea.”

Rep. John Larson, another Democrat from Connecticut, agreed with his colleague and said that "to do nothing is to be complicit" with mass murder.

But when nearly 260 Democrats controlled the House from 2009 to 2011, then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi didn't hold a single vote on gun control. Why not?

“Perhaps you’re familiar with the 60-vote rule in the Senate," Pelosi told me. "Our members are very courageous. They’ll walk the plank on any tough vote. But I don’t want them to walk the plank on something that’s not going to become the law.”

“This is a very high priority for us," Pelosi continued. "But because of what is—money. Let’s face it. Big money out there on the side of those would be opposed to gun safety.”

“The fact is if there was no prospect of success, we wanted the members to be here to continue to make the fight, so that when there was a prospect of success they would be here rather than being cleared out by the NRA,” Pelosi added.

Rep. Diana DeGette of Colorado, the Democrats' chief deputy whip, chimed in to support Pelosi. “We had the votes to pass sensible gun legislation through the House, but when the Senate said that they couldn’t do it with the 60 votes, the leader made the decision that this really wasn’t the thing to do at the time," said DeGette. "We were trying to pass health care reform and other issues."

From 2009 to 2011 there were either 59 or 60 Democrats in the Senate, plus five Republicans who had voted for the "assault weapons ban" in 2004 (Judd Gregg, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, George Voinovich, and Dick Lugar). In other words, it was Democratic opposition in the Senate, chiefly from Majority Leader Harry Reid, that disuaded Pelosi from holding a single vote on gun control from 2009 to 2011.

Of course, Pelosi was more than willing to vote on other measures, such as cap-and-trade, that stood little chance of passing the Senate. Why did Pelosi choose to ratchet up pressure on Senate Democrats over cap-and-trade but not gun control? "Well, I’m not going to speculate about that," DeGette told me following the press conference.

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Old 12-21-2012, 05:06 PM   #31
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Another irrelevancy and logical fallacy. Hey, can you do anything but mock people and rely on cross-thread straw men? Are you thread grudge collector or something? Or just on Obama's payroll to stir up animosity as part of agit prop?
Yes, but when it is so richly deserved, I go with mocking.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:07 PM   #32
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Yes, but when it is so richly deserved, I go with mocking.
It's quite an anti-social trait that you do mostly that and nothing more. Says all.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:08 PM   #33
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What statements? "All" is overgeneralized.

As to your quote—so? It still doesn't say why it's needed by them.
Ammo is generally used for shooting things, so that would be my guess.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:09 PM   #34
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Ammo is generally used for shooting things, so that would be my guess.
Are you talking about Amnorix using a nickname?
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What statements? "All" is overgeneralized.

As to your quote—so? It still doesn't say why it's needed by them.
You don't know why the Department of Homeland Security needs bullets?
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:12 PM   #36
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It's quite an anti-social trait that you do mostly that and nothing more. Says all.
Your anti-social trait is consistent reliance on debunked myths, unsubstantiated whacko conspiracy theories, and just making things up. Mine is mocking these things. I'll stick with mine.
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This is something I've been wondering for a few years now: if one believes that the 2nd Amendment's purpose is to allow citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government -- if it is the duty of the citizenry to, as is stated in the Declaration of Independence, "alter or abolish" any government that becomes tyrannical -- then what the Hell are we waiting for? Why aren't we raising our arms en masse to overthrow the tyrants?
We have cable tv and internet.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:18 PM   #38
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Your anti-social trait is consistent reliance on debunked myths, unsubstantiated whacko conspiracy theories, and just making things up. Mine is mocking these things. I'll stick with mine.
No cosmos, I am talking about your delivery aka behavior. Your inability to ever engage in an argument on any view that differs from yours. Including your uses of blanket generalities as seen in this post. Do you ever offer any view at all or is just mocking other's posts is all you can achieve? That's an anti-social personality pattern.

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You have at least 7 of the traits.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:26 PM   #39
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No cosmos, I am talking about your delivery aka behavior. Including your uses of blanket generalities as seen in this post.


Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)
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You have at least 7 of the traits.

Says the gal who is consistently fooled by false assertions published by everything from your RWNJ websites to The Onion. Your perception of reality isn't exactly...accurate. False beliefs that are not based in reality = psychosis
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:28 PM   #40
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Says the gal who is consistently fooled by false assertions published by everything from your RWNJ websites to The Onion. Your perception of reality isn't exactly...accurate. False beliefs that are not based in reality = psychosis
More sweeping generalities, more mocking......no specific intelligent arguments.

You're even lying. My sites criticize both the Rs and the Ds. Libertarians are 50% in each party because they're some of each.

Yup, you have anti-social and histrionic personality disorder.


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Targeted Humor, Mocking & Sarcasm - Targeted Humor is any sustained pattern of joking, sarcasm or mockery which is designed to reduce another individual's reputation in their own eyes or in the eyes of others.

Baiting and Picking Fights - Baiting and Picking Fights is the practice of generating a provocative action or statement for the purpose of obtaining an angry, aggressive or emotional response from another person.
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What statements? "All" is overgeneralized.

As to your quote—so? It still doesn't say why it's needed by them.
Of course. I forgot who I was talking to.

You see, the DHS is host to many different divisions. Including, but not limited to:

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
United States Customs and Border Protection
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
United States Coast Guard
United States Secret Service

And when someone in the DHS needs training, like say a Federal Law Enforcement cadet, they have to do things like practice shooting guns.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:42 PM   #42
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Of course. I forgot who I was talking to.

You see, the DHS is host to many different divisions. Including, but not limited to:

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
United States Customs and Border Protection
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
United States Coast Guard
United States Secret Service

And when someone in the DHS needs training, like say a Federal Law Enforcement cadet, they have to do things like practice shooting guns.
That's an answer. But still....and hollow point bullets too?

Even the SSA has made purchases.
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Of course. I forgot who I was talking to.

You see, the DHS is host to many different divisions. Including, but not limited to:

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
United States Customs and Border Protection
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
United States Coast Guard
United States Secret Service

And when someone in the DHS needs training, like say a Federal Law Enforcement cadet, they have to do things like practice shooting guns.
But can't they shoot the guns, then collect and reuse the bullets? Or, can't they train using Hitman 4 on PS3?
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That's an answer. But still....and hollow point bullets too?

Even the SSA has made purchases.
Do you know why?
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When the head of DHS thinks vets, Christians and gun owners are radical and not to be trusted, why wouldn't such people be suspicious of such purchases?
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