Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The GET IN MAH BELLY! Lounge > D.C.

View Poll Results: Is this an acceptable compromise?
Yes 4 12.50%
No 22 68.75%
Maybe, see my tweak to the proposal 1 3.13%
Take out the restriction on the # of rounds in a clip, then we got a deal 5 15.63%
We need to go further to restrict access to guns 0 0%
Obligatory GAZ option 0 0%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-22-2012, 08:58 AM  
BigRedChief BigRedChief is offline
Brainwashed
 
BigRedChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Swims with fishes
Casino cash: $298151
BRC's propsed gun control legislation

I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear.

I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution.

The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech.

The compromise:
  1. Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind.
  2. Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns.
  3. Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets.
  4. Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges)
  5. Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes.
  6. Closing the gun show loophole.
#1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals.
#3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets.
#4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds.
#5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook.
#6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows.



What got left off the table:
  • Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire.
  • Mental illness legislation. A different discussion.

Last edited by BigRedChief; 12-22-2012 at 09:08 AM..
Posts: 42,292
BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 11:57 AM   #61
BigRedChief BigRedChief is offline
Brainwashed
 
BigRedChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Swims with fishes
Casino cash: $298151
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod View Post
If they aren't batshit crazy AND if they have been trained in the gun's use and safety techniques. I first fired a gun at age 7. Within a couple of years I regularly carried a rifle and roamed the fields alone and unsupervised. I was around loaded guns all my life growing up. My dad kept a loaded .357 in a holster on a gun belt hanging over the back of his chair in the gun room.

Number of grade-school age friends killed - zero.
But, not everyone is as responsible and you and your parents. Taught and practice gun safety.

You know you are on the extreme end of this conversation when you advocate for open access to guns for elementary children.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTG#10 View Post
I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.
Posts: 42,292
BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 11:58 AM   #62
Munson Munson is offline
Roy E.
 
Munson's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Olathe, KS
Casino cash: $2000032696
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
#1
Already defined as per my opinion. Let the Doctors and courts decide. Eventually it will go to the SCOTUS
How many doctors are needed to declare somebody mentally ill? Are they going to be goverment doctors or private sector doctors?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
4 Please show me where in the Bill of Rights is guarantees you the right to unlimited rounds in a clip of ammunition.
Show me where it doesn't say that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
5 Of course not. You discover your guns stolen, report them and you are not held responsible.
What if you don't find out in time? For example, what if somebody is on vacation or at work, and comes home to see that their gun safe was broken in to? Would that gun owner still be punished?
__________________
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Posts: 4,531
Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:00 PM   #63
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $1001187
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
But, not everyone is as responsible and you and your parents. Taught and practice gun safety.

You know you are on the extreme end of this conversation when you advocate for open access to guns for elementary children.
Well, would you rather that girl in Oklahoma had been raped and murdered?
Posts: 91,143
Frazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:05 PM   #64
kcfanXIII kcfanXIII is offline
Veteran
 
kcfanXIII's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 25 minutes from arrowhead
Casino cash: $211903
i disagree with all forms of gun control. we were meant to be an armed society to protect ourselves from tyrants. how can we do that, or future generations do that, if we can't have the primary tool used by freedom fighters across the world to defeat the most powerful armies in human history? i have committed no crime, and should therefor not be punished because other people's irresponsible actions.
Posts: 4,633
kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.kcfanXIII would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:08 PM   #65
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $1001187
BTW, I should clarify my vote. The option I picked, while no ideal, is at this point the best we can hope for given the current climate, and while I'd be annoyed by some aspects of it, it's livable.

I do feel quite strongly about obvious, known unstable people having easy access to guns. That is a recipe for disaster.
Posts: 91,143
Frazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:09 PM   #66
BigRedChief BigRedChief is offline
Brainwashed
 
BigRedChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Swims with fishes
Casino cash: $298151
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcfanXIII View Post
i disagree with all forms of gun control. we were meant to be an armed society to protect ourselves from tyrants. how can we do that, or future generations do that, if we can't have the primary tool used by freedom fighters across the world to defeat the most powerful armies in human history? i have committed no crime, and should therefor not be punished because other people's irresponsible actions.
I have no problem with any of this. It's a valid argument.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTG#10 View Post
I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.
Posts: 42,292
BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:38 PM   #67
Munson Munson is offline
Roy E.
 
Munson's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Olathe, KS
Casino cash: $2000032696
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini View Post
"Rights can be regulated"


Its sad some people request tyranny. How about instead of asking more from the government we ask more from society?
Good point. Its a shame that people are so willing to give up their rights.
__________________
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Posts: 4,531
Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.Munson is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:38 PM   #68
mlyonsd mlyonsd is offline
Supporter
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Spink, SD
Casino cash: $53112
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
Thats not the point. I'm not on board with changing gun laws because of a lunatic did something horrible.

But, its obvious the public wants "something" done. I've seen polls of NRA members that have a majority that want some type of action. This is going to happen. Its just deciding what "is going to happen". But, as far as your original question goes.......
  • The law not allowing mentally unstable people to own weapons.
  • Punishment for legal law abiding citizens not securing their weapons from access to children and the mentally unstable.
Passing laws for no reason doesn't seem very intelligent to me.

If you want to reduce gun violence you'd have better results by actually punishing someone that uses a gun to commit a crime.
Posts: 24,791
mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:42 PM   #69
AussieChiefsFan AussieChiefsFan is offline
Mayday .... All Day
 
AussieChiefsFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Casino cash: $26058571
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlyonsd View Post
Passing laws for no reason doesn't seem very intelligent to me.

If you want to reduce gun violence you'd have better results by actually punishing someone that uses a gun to commit a crime.
Although many people that commit massacres aren't usually trying to get out a free men or alive.
__________________
2013 Adopt-A-Chief: Sean "The Beard" McGrath
Posts: 12,225
AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:44 PM   #70
mlyonsd mlyonsd is offline
Supporter
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Spink, SD
Casino cash: $53112
Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan View Post
Although many people that commit massacres aren't usually trying to get out a free men or alive.
Nothing proposed will stop massacres. I thought we already established that.
Posts: 24,791
mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.mlyonsd is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:44 PM   #71
AussieChiefsFan AussieChiefsFan is offline
Mayday .... All Day
 
AussieChiefsFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Casino cash: $26058571
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlyonsd View Post
Nothing proposed will stop massacres. I thought we already established that.
Guess so.
__________________
2013 Adopt-A-Chief: Sean "The Beard" McGrath
Posts: 12,225
AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.AussieChiefsFan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 02:41 PM   #72
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $1001187
Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan View Post
Guess so.
Luckily only about 70 people out of 313,000,000 have died at their hands so far this year.
Posts: 91,143
Frazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 03:01 PM   #73
A Salt Weapon A Salt Weapon is offline
Veteran
 
A Salt Weapon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Alaska
Casino cash: $1000970720
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod View Post
Luckily only about 70 people out of 313,000,000 have died at their hands so far this year.
That number is outrageous! We need to confiscate the god given rights of the rest to ensure our safety.
Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 1,687
A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.A Salt Weapon is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 03:10 PM   #74
Calcountry Calcountry is offline
Shoot the tube
 
Calcountry's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Where I am
Casino cash: $4343
I would much rather see the media use its awesome influence and power, and voluntary and mutually agree and publish together, a statement that would honor a code that would never give air to names, likenesses, or any other material that would bring infamy or celebrity to these vicious animals. Further, their remains should be cremated and discarded over the ocean.
__________________
Amerika, Amerika, I shed my grace on Thee.
Posts: 26,765
Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.Calcountry would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 03:15 PM   #75
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $472099
4 and 5 are deal breakers for me. I'm not sure about 6.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,541
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.