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Old 12-25-2012, 02:23 PM  
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Polian and Dungy to be new GM and HC?

http://kcsportsnation.com/2012/12/br...h-source-says/



Merry Christmas Chiefs fans, from Clark Hunt.

Well, maybe.

According to a good source inside Arrowhead that has seen Bill Polian with Clark Hunt with his “own eyes,” if Polian wants the Chiefs General Manager job, it is his. Polian, the former GM of the Indianapolis Colts, would bring his long-time coach Tony Dungy back to KC as the head coach and his son Chris would be the VP and take over when Bill retires.





The source also indicates that MOST of the current staff has already cleaned out their offices and three assistant coaches have been told not to make the trip to Denver and that Norv Turner will be the offensive coordinator and Dom Capers the new defensive coordinator. Now, for these two, I’m a bit more skeptical. Turner is currently the head coach at San Diego, and although he is expected to be fired, his committal to a lesser job right off the bat is questionable at best. That said, the ship on him being a head coach has sailed. Capers, is the current defensive coordinator for the Packers, a team that will be a Super Bowl contender every year for the foreseeable future, so why would he leave? $$$? Capers’ name is also out there as a potential head coach if Dungy elects to stay retired, which would be a God awful hire. He is 48-80 in eight years as a head coach at Carolina and Houston, where he made the playoffs once, advancing to the NFC Championship game at Carolina in 1996 after winning the NFC West.

The source is a good source, but like anything else, Polian may or may not accept the job, and the same goes for Dungy.

But, if this does come to fruition, wow. Another Festivus Miracle!

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Dungy was a defensive backs coach in KC under Marty Shottenheimer from 1989-91, before moving on to Minnesota to be the defensive coordinator under Dennis Green before turning around the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, then the Colts. Dungy has been out of coaching since 2009.

Polian was the General Manager in Buffalo from 1986-1993, where he took over a team that was coming off back-to-back 2-14 seasons. Polian won the NFL Executive of the Year Award twice in 1988 and in 1991.He was fired following three straight Super Bowl losses. Two seasons later, he was the GM of the Carolina Panthers for four seasons through 2007, where Capers was his head coach. He then moved on to Indianapolis, where he was President and eventually Chris was the GM. Polian was fired by owner Jim Irsay after the Colts finished with a 2–14 record in the 2011-2012 season, where Peyton Manning missed the season with injury, which begs the question, were Dungy and Polian as good as their QB was?

Stay tuned.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:36 PM   #106
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It's not. If Dungy was going to come back, he would of came back to coaching to help his alma mater.

Minnesota was begging for him to come and he stayed in retirement. He's done.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:37 PM   #107
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Also, Dungy was wearing red and yellow Chiefs shoes and a Chiefs polo.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:38 PM   #108
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Dungy isn't a disaster like Crennel, but he is nothing more than an average at best NFL coach. What value did he provide at Indy other than a stable hand? His supposed clame-to-fame, defense, was the big weakness in Indy. John Fox appears to be doing more with an aging Manning than Dungy did in Manning's prime.
A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:38 PM   #109
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This is a fair statement. But that's a little unfair to pin that on dungy. Tom Moore deserves a lot of that blame. And you simply cannot have Peyton on your team unless you let him run the show. We saw that in his Peyton tour how he demands control, even on personnel.

Fair points. But again, this doesn't make him herm.
I have little to no problem in allowing a Manning type QB a free reign on the field.

However, when it comes time to make critical decisions, the final decision has to be the HC's and that was not the case in Indy.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:41 PM   #110
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A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.
Tony Dungy played in the cover 2 with Steelers.

The Tampa 2 is just a variation of that, with some adjustment to defend against the WCO.

It's pretty much his baby.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:50 PM   #111
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So according to CP, if Polian is indeed THE man....we should expect to draft Barkley...?


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Old 12-25-2012, 06:53 PM   #112
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Pioli keeping his job would be more plausible than this story...
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:57 PM   #113
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So according to CP, if Polian is indeed THE man....we should expect to draft Barkley...?


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Old 12-25-2012, 07:20 PM   #114
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Polian definitely has a chance to be this GM.

But the rest if the biggest leap of faith bullshit ever.

I know teams talk to other coaches toward the end of the season, but what this pile of speculative shit is trying to say is that not only are they talking, but they've also convinced Dom Capers to leave a playoff team with a stud QB, but they've also talked to Norv?

Not only that, they told the assistants not to go to Denver?

Holy ****ing god.

Is the author of this related to Athan?
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:23 PM   #115
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I am convinced though that if it's Polian, then the QB is going to be Barkley.

I've heard Polian in a few spots and he constantly says how he loves QBs from a Pro Style offense, that were 4 year starters and come from a big school.

I wish Clark would be focusing on uncovering the next Carl Peterson that can turn this ship around like CP did in the late 80s instead of hiring some re-tread big name piece of shit that's going to come in with his chest stuck out and his ego inflated.
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I was defending Polian to an extent the other day but if this were to happen and he brought Dungy with I'd renig all of that and consider it a definite gut buster.
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Polian definitely has a chance to be this GM.

But the rest if the biggest leap of faith bullshit ever.

I know teams talk to other coaches toward the end of the season, but what this pile of speculative shit is trying to say is that not only are they talking, but they've also convinced Dom Capers to leave a playoff team with a stud QB, but they've also talked to Norv?

Not only that, they told the assistants not to go to Denver?

Holy ****ing god.

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I think so Frank, this is the one part that didn't make any sense to me at all.

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I'm not a fan of hiring dungy. But that is a completely laughable comparison.
How so?

Dungy was Herm's mentor as a coach. They're both "Tampa-2" guys.

They're both ultra conservative football coaches.

Lovie Smith is on that same page.....and in fact I'm still VERY surprised he's still the football coach there in Chicago.
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How so?

Dungy was Herm's mentor as a coach. They're both "Tampa-2" guys.

They're both ultra conservative football coaches.

Lovie Smith is on that same page.....and in fact I'm still VERY surprised he's still the football coach there in Chicago.
Lovie is a fair comparison, though dungy brings a far more impressive pedigree.

Ive defended herm many times in the past. With that comparison, you bring a whole host of other issues you don't have with dungy. Dungy is a terrific coach who knows how to coach players. Herm is a motivator players like with no concept of how to coaxh on game day. They are not the same coach, except that they run a similar scheme.
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