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Old 12-27-2012, 03:18 PM  
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Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:46 AM   #166
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FWIW, I agree with you. I thought Todd Haley brought discipline to a very undisciplined team, came with a plan chalk full of fresh ideas, and brought an identity to a team that lacked one since Marty Schottenheimer left. Obviously, Todd Haley made his mistakes. He wanted full control of the offense, but was never willing to say it. He ran off multiple OC's, and was obviously tough to work with/for. In the end, I believe the positives of Haley outweighed the negatives.

Romeo didn't come in with a plan. He came in with the approach of "status-quo." What worked for a short time last year will work this year. However, players reverted back to old practice habits, Bowe held out, Tamba got suspended, multiple players suffered nagging injuries IMO because they weren't expected to be in top shape as Haley demanded. The status-quo plan snowballed into a 2-13 team.

This team needs a disciplinarian with a clear direction. They need a GM that will back that disciplinarian up when times get tough, and allow him to grow in the role...knowing it is for the greater good. Haley was one piece of the puzzle. (A QB would go a long way as well...)
That's pretty much how I see it.

We all have strong points and short-comings. All of us. Even Planeteers. Haley had flaws and I have never argued that he was the epitome of human evolution. Still, he represents what the Chiefs needed and still need; a young coach who can put his imprimatur on and grow with the franchise, a coach who focuses on the fundamentals of conditioning and basic football (see turnover records), and a guy who approaches the game with a certain creativity (The Chiefs were once known for innovation and I'd like to see that particular slice of history repeat itself.)

The fact of the matter is that, for whatever reason, Pioli decided to hang Haley out to dry. He developed an absolute hatred for the guy. Why? I can only speculate that Haley thought he was going to be an actual NFL head coach, not a puppet and, when he learned that he was going to have to dance for Dr. Evil, he simply couldn't do it ... it wasn't in his nature.

Meanwhile, Pioli was and is a freaking cancer. His organizational decision-making and personnel decisions aren't just suspect, they're obviously pitiful. He is a man clearly out of his mind and Clark's worst decision to date. Yet people who could not function, let alone thrive, while working directly under Pioli will blame Haley for every possible sin they can conjure up. It's irrational, in my view.

I think the evidence speaks for itself. They say you are what your record says you are. And, when it comes to the Chiefs, nuff said.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:47 AM   #167
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One thing I have never understood about the Haley bashing crowd was this...

Almost every single time the camera's focused in on Haley, he was not berating anyone.
You weren't paying attention then.

He chewed major ass on Bowe, Ca$$hole, and Grandpa OC just to name a few...
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:49 AM   #168
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You weren't paying attention then.

He chewed major ass on Bowe, Ca$$hole, and Grandpa OC just to name a few...
In almost three years... three times. Some guys act like it was a weekly thing. And FWIW, the Cassel ass chewing was pretty much needed at the time.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:51 AM   #169
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He didn't HAVE to play 4 games with Palko.

Mr. Offensive Geni(0)us chose to...
With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.

He had to play somebody. He put Orton in as soon as he could and he got hurt on his first play. Evidence suggests that Haley was told not to play Stanzi under any circumstances. Who was left?

There is also good reason to believe (Babb's report) that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and was told by Pioli to go pound sand.

To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:52 AM   #170
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With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.

He had to play somebody. He put Orton in as soon as he could and he got hurt on his first play. Evidence suggests that Haley was told not to play Stanzi under any circumstances. Who was left?

There is also good reason to believe (Babb's report) that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and was told by Pioli to go pound sand.

To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:53 AM   #171
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You weren't paying attention then.

He chewed major ass on Bowe, Ca$$hole, and Grandpa OC just to name a few...
Oh no the coach chewed some ass? Thats terrible.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:58 AM   #172
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Mr. FAX, it's the NFL win or GTFO
I can't disagree with that.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:13 AM   #173
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He was a piece of ****ing shit HC. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything he touched turned to ****--after all, the man isn't Pioli--but he wasn't anywhere close to being good.
Quoted for truth.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:15 AM   #174
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Cmon guys, we coulda won an extra game or 2, missed out on Geno, and then fired his ass after this season. It would have been awesome.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:16 AM   #175
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With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.

He had to play somebody. He put Orton in as soon as he could and he got hurt on his first play. Evidence suggests that Haley was told not to play Stanzi under any circumstances. Who was left?

There is also good reason to believe (Babb's report) that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and was told by Pioli to go pound sand.

To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

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He put Orton in and immediately ran one of the longest-developing plays in the game of football, against one of the best pass-rushing defenses in all of football.

He's either a ****ing moron or he was TRYING to hurt Orton in order to have an excuse to go back to Palko.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:19 AM   #176
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You weren't paying attention then.

He chewed major ass on Bowe, Ca$$hole, and Grandpa OC just to name a few...
The chewing of Cassel was ABSOLUTELY warranted.

I was at the infamous Minnesota game, I saw the whole thing up close.

After the play, Cassel came to the sideline. Haley CALMLY said a couple of thing to him and attempted to smack him on the ass. Cassel brushed him off and acted like a baby, at which point Haley called him a pussy.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:22 AM   #177
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Fine, not everyone wanted to move him to guard. But lots of people gave up on him as a left tackle or regarded him as a swinging gate. The idea that he was widely conSidered a top notch left tackle years ago is complete baloney.
Not everyone? Try ONE PERSON. Sac is the ONLY person on this board that wanted to draft Okung and move Albert to OG.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:23 AM   #178
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With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.
Orton was healthy and sitting while Palko stunk it up.



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To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:24 AM   #179
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And not at all my point...
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:33 AM   #180
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Not everyone? Try ONE PERSON. Sac is the ONLY person on this board that wanted to draft Okung and move Albert to OG.
I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.
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