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A rambling explanation of why the Chiefs need more than a QB and coach no matter what

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A rambling explanation of why the Chiefs need more than a QB and coach no matter what the stupid Pro Bowl roster says

Sam Mellinger

So, just stop it.

Please.

Stop.

Save the cries about how having five Pro Bowlers means the Chiefs have all this talent — same number of Pro Bowlers as the Broncos! More than the Falcons! — and can turn into a Super Bowl contender with the drop of a coach and quarterback.

First, the number of Pro Bowlers is a fraud. Eric Berry has been great lately, but average overall. Tamba Hali is a fantastic player by work ethic and reputation but has been less than Pro Bowl worthy this season. Derrick Johnson is the team’s best all-around defender, but if there’s one guy on that side worthy of the honor — let alone three — then Justin Houston has had the best season. A few weeks ago, Hali told Teicher Houston was the better player. Dustin Colquitt has had a nice season, particularly punting inside the 20, but he’s 17th in punting and net yardage.

Nobody can argue Jamaal Charles’ selection — he is the shining diamond lodged in a manure pile of a Chiefs season.

So, if we can all agree that the Pro Bowl selection process is flawed at best — I would say they had two players worthy of selection, you can make a good case for three — we can look at how close or far the Chiefs are from competing with clearer vision.

At the beginning, when there was still a chance that this season would turn out mediocre instead of unmitigated disaster, I was among those saying the Chiefs weren’t that far off. A new quarterback, a new coaching staff, a few roster tweaks, and the Chiefs would be on their way. That’s what I thought, anyway.

Then the Chiefs played out one of the least competitive seasons in recent NFL history — almost certainly, this is the least competitive team in franchise history.

They have the worst point differential in the league, and the quarterbacks and coaches can only be blamed for part of this.

The truth is, depending on your flavor, the Chiefs are set with the following 12 players: Javier Arenas, Jon Asamoah, Eric Berry, Charles, Brandon Flowers, Hali, Houston, Johnson, Kendrick Lewis, Tony Moeaki, Donald Stephenson, and Eric Winston.

There are other players, like Rodney Hudson and Allen Bailey, who are either cheap enough or still have enough upside to feel good about keeping around.

But there are others — Branden Albert and Dwayne Bowe, most notably — who are very good players set to become free agents. These spots are a particular problem because the Chiefs don’t have any readily available replacements. We’ve seen the Chiefs try recently, with Albert and Bowe both hurt, and the results have been even uglier than we’ve become used to seeing.

So even if we account for the fact that there are no perfect teams, this leaves the Chiefs needing to fill six to eight starting positions with quality players — assuming one of them is a legitimate quarterback — plus depth.

The Chiefs are (backhanded compliment alert) one of the league’s most talented terrible teams in recent memory, but it’s still worth noting that of the 19 teams to lose 13 or more games in the last 10 seasons, only five managed winning records the next season*.

* The Rams, who went 2-14 last year, can make it six by winning at Seattle this weekend, which, well, I wouldn’t bet on.

The five:

2006 Saints. This is such an outlier it’s probably not instructive to pay attention to. The year before, Hurricane Katrina turned everything in New Orleans upside-down. Most of the coaches and many players lost their homes. The team practiced in parking lots, and out of the state. Also, they replaced coach Jim Haslett with Sean Peyton and quarterback Aaron Brooks with Drew Brees. They drafted Reggie Bush and Marques Colston, improved the offensive line, and remade the defense. They also had the magic of a city and region rebuilding itself after a devastating natural disaster.

Other than that, sure, use this as the model.

2008 Dolphins. Went from 1-15 to 11-5, making up for Chad Pennington by employing a lot of Wildcat, got 17 1/2 sacks from Joey Porter, turned it over more than once in just one game, and had the fifth-most takeaways in the league. The turnaround didn’t stick, though, so I’m not sure this is a great model, either.

2010 Bucs. Another example of success that didn’t stick, but the Bucs went from 3-13 to 10-6 in no small part because local kid Josh Freeman went from awful as a rookie in 2009 to very good in his second season.

2012 Vikings. This one’s largely on the defense, though Christian Ponder has improved significantly from a miserable rookie season in 2011 and Adrian Peterson is having one of the best seasons for a running back in league history. The Vikings are also playing eight draft picks, including four starters. Four other starters were drafted in 2011.

2012 Colts. This one, to me, is the most instructive of how the Chiefs might operate. The Colts took on a severe makeover, including the front office and coaching staff. Andrew Luck has the look of a franchise-defining quarterback, but he’s also thrown 18 interceptions and fumbled 10 times. Colts GM Ryan Grigson did a wonderful job of retaining key veterans like Reggie Wayne and Robert Mathis, but also being bold in turning the roster over at other places — Luck is just one of three rookie starters on offense.

The Colts have three new starting offensive linemen, three new receivers and a tight end, and an entirely new backfield. On defense, 10 of the 22 players who’ve started a game are new to the Colts this year.

Even understanding that the Colts aren’t great — they’ve been outscored by six touchdowns on the season, after all — this has the look of a sustainable competitor. Say what you want about Luck’s future, and it is bright, and there probably isn’t a quarterback as good as him in this year’s draft, but also think about this:

History is clear that there’s a very good quarterback somewhere in the draft. In the last 10 years, there has been at least one quarterback to build around in nearly every draft.

2012: Luck, Griffin, Wilson.

2011: Cam Newton (and Colin Kaepernick, taken 10 spots after Jon Baldwin)

2010: Sam Bradford.

2009: Matt Stafford and Josh Freeman.

2008: Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

2007: This year sucked. In the first two rounds, teams took JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck and Drew Stanton. Gross.

2006: Jay Cutler.

2005: Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers.

2004: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub.

2003: Carson Palmer.

So, all of this is a very long way of saying there is probably a very good quarterback in this draft class and it will be the job of whoever replaces Scott Pioli to identify that man and then hire the right coaches to maximize his ability, and perhaps most importantly, build a roster that does have talent but is also flawed enough to be the worst team in pro football.

In other words: this is more than a coach and a quarterback, no matter what the stupid Pro Bowl roster says.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:39 AM   #31
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How can a team have depth that had to replace basically every skill player with a rookie? If they had depth those players wouldn't be starting they would be the depth.
Here's how - Depth to the point that when they sub - there is not that much of a drop off. They have their stars - then a bunch of guys on the same level. Look and see how many different players they have that actually see the field and contribute. A bunch. Kubiak siad as much after the Texans played the Colts a few weeks back. He was very impressed with thier depth for a team that was supposed to be rebuilding.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:41 AM   #32
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With free agency and the way the NFL is, you just aren't going to have an all pro at every spot. And no, I don't give a damn about the pro bowl.

But, IMO, you need an all pro type guy at every level.

Lets take the Chiefs defense.

You have Flowers and Berry in the dback field who have that type of ability, and yes I think Berry is finally getting back from injury.

You have DJ, Hali, and Houston in the middle. All three are great players, which is another reason you don't spend a high pick on another MLB, when you just need a solid guy there. You don't need a star, but a solid Larry Foote type player. (Shane Skov btw, check him out)

Up front, you have Poe, who I actually believe might turn out to be Pioli's best pick, who has the ability to take that next step and he the pass rusher up front we need.

So you have guys at every level with that type of abiltiy, they just need to be surrounded with solid players and not be playing in a scheme thats not ****ing stupid like the 2 gap 34.

Offensively, an oline of Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Winston is a great start. YEah you need Asamoah and Allen to get their shit together, but offensive line stability is a finicky thing and I'm actually pretty sold on the fact that a QB with knowledge of how to play QB wouldn't significantly improve that unit.

Then you have Charles, who's a stud, and Bowe who's a stud.

So you've got the star power you need, or IMO you do. That inlies Pioli's biggest mistake. He didn't fill the other positions around these guys with complementary players. And of course the QB position destroys anything this team does.

I'm just amazed at how much QB play and coaching have affected this team.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:42 AM   #33
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We won't really know what we have until we get a real QB and perhaps an OC who has a ****ing clue.

Daboll is the Tyler Palko of OC's. He's got to be the worst I've ever seen.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:43 AM   #34
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With free agency and the way the NFL is, you just aren't going to have an all pro at every spot. And no, I don't give a damn about the pro bowl.

But, IMO, you need an all pro type guy at every level.

Lets take the Chiefs defense.

You have Flowers and Berry in the dback field who have that type of ability, and yes I think Berry is finally getting back from injury.

You have DJ, Hali, and Houston in the middle. All three are great players, which is another reason you don't spend a high pick on another MLB, when you just need a solid guy there. You don't need a star, but a solid Larry Foote type player. (Shane Skov btw, check him out)

Up front, you have Poe, who I actually believe might turn out to be Pioli's best pick, who has the ability to take that next step and he the pass rusher up front we need.

So you have guys at every level with that type of abiltiy, they just need to be surrounded with solid players and not be playing in a scheme thats not ****ing stupid like the 2 gap 34.

Offensively, an oline of Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Winston is a great start. YEah you need Asamoah and Allen to get their shit together, but offensive line stability is a finicky thing and I'm actually pretty sold on the fact that a QB with knowledge of how to play QB wouldn't significantly improve that unit.

Then you have Charles, who's a stud, and Bowe who's a stud.

So you've got the star power you need, or IMO you do. That inlies Pioli's biggest mistake. He didn't fill the other positions around these guys with complementary players. And of course the QB position destroys anything this team does.

I'm just amazed at how much QB play and coaching have affected this team.
You could have stopped with QB play. Crennel Coaching this Team is a problem, but not nearly on the scale of the problem we have at QB. jmo
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I think the QB play has severly affected the morale of this team, and I think it did along time ago.


Add to that, Romeo is terrible at everything that comes with being a HC and Daboll is an awful OC.

This team never had a chacne and I'm embarrassed that I ever thought it did.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:48 AM   #37
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I'm just amazed at how much QB play have affected this team.
On this alone is reason enough to fire Scott.
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Here's how - Depth to the point that when they sub - there is not that much of a drop off. They have their stars - then a bunch of guys on the same level. Look and see how many different players they have that actually see the field and contribute. A bunch. Kubiak siad as much after the Texans played the Colts a few weeks back. He was very impressed with thier depth for a team that was supposed to be rebuilding.
The Chiefs don't have a drop off either. They're in subs on defense MORE than half the time. And the offense is just plain bad because of the QB position.

They rushed for HUNDREDS of yards with Lilja at center, a rookie LG, AND TWO BACKUPS.
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A QB with an average play action game should consistently be able to throw for 250 yards easily with JC, Draughn, Gray at RB with this oline.
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A QB with an average play action game should consistently be able to throw for 250 yards easily with JC, Draughn, Gray at RB with this oline.
But not with this leadership of the current team they are not.
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Not backing him up or anything, but Daboll was also hampered by the fact he didn't have a QB to work with.

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Not backing him up or anything, but Daboll was also hampered by the fact he didn't have a QB to work with.

just saying
Then he should have done something about working around with what he was given to work with. Look at Tebow last year.
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Albert is a much better pass blocker.

I know that doesn't matter now, but if we have a good QB it will only make that good QB better.
meh, Albert has had plenty of pass play hickups. The thing Albert is good at is run blocking as he has the mobility to get stretch plays to work with great success.

I would like to see him stay, but if he goes, #79 gets it done.
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Then he should have done something about working around with what he was given to work with. Look at Tebow last year.
Or maybe if he was, you know, a MAN, with, you know, PROFESSIONAL PRIDE, he could have just said "your QBs suck and I don't want to be your next scapegoat".

**** Brian Daboll. **** that gutless, spineless yes-man.
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I think you have to re-sign Albert and Bowe, I think you've got the cash, and there's not a reason in hell to start a new regime down one top tier LT and one top tier WR if you don't have to.
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