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Old 12-29-2012, 04:55 PM  
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"Not "Worth" The #1 Pick???

I have heard soooo many columnists and "experts" comment about the fact that there really isnt a QB "worth" the #1 pick.

What a bunch of horse crap. In the old CBA, when you had to pay the #1 pick $60-$70 million, I could understand this arguement and could agree with that. But in today's CBA, you dont dish that much out.

Andrew Luck's contract was for $22.1 million over 4 years. Yes, they had to pay $14.5 million in a signing bonus but so what?! In 2010, the Rams paid Sam Bradford a 6 year, $78 Million dollar contract with $50 Million GUARANTEED! Thats $13 million PER YEAR vs. Luck's $5.525 Million per year.

So even if Smith or whomever isnt the true Best Player available, I really dont think that in a situation like ours, where QB is such an obvious position of need, that $22 million for the #1 pick is really as big of a "reach" as we are led to believe by the experts.

To give you a comparison to Luck's #1 pick contract from 2012 at $22M, in 2010, this would be equivalent to the contract given to the #12 pick in the 2010 draft, Ryan Matthews in SD for $25.65M over 5 years.

Heck, I say draft a QB in Rounds 1, 2 & 3! Give us some frikken QB competition!

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Old 12-29-2012, 05:16 PM   #16
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I saw one draft that said Geno Smith isnt worth #1, but then had him going at #6 saying "you cant pass up value like that at #6". Is 6 to 1 that much of a "reach"?

They are just finding things to say at this point. Its four months away for christs sake.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:18 PM   #17
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:49 PM   #18
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There is no such thing as a reach. Either a guy plays for your team the next 10 years or he doesn't. It's irrelevant where he was picked.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:53 PM   #19
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:56 PM   #20
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There is no such thing as a reach. Either a guy plays for your team the next 10 years or he doesn't. It's irrelevant where he was picked.
ok Pioli......thanks for the Tyson Jackson pick!
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:57 PM   #21
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:10 PM   #22
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I want to draft Bjoern Werner purely because of his accent.

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Old 12-29-2012, 06:39 PM   #23
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Players are a crap shoot. Qb is the biggest of all. Geno , tyler, barkley, bennon. All of them could be great or flop. I hope the chiefs evaluate them all to death and take the best prospect.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:42 PM   #24
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Players are a crap shoot. Qb is the biggest of all. Geno , tyler, barkley, bennon. All of them could be great or flop. I hope the chiefs evaluate them all to death and take the best prospect.
We can't take that chance. We should settle for a Geno Smith that's still alive.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:43 PM   #25
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I want to draft Bjoern Werner purely because of his accent.

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I posted this an another thread but we should leak that he is a Nazi/weed smoker/something bad so we can draft him in the 2nd.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:47 PM   #26
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I hope they take him with #1, and agree that we shouldn't worry about "value". But, I'm not sure many NFL front offices agree. It seems like from what I've seen most still think value is important.

Will we have a GM come April that is willing to "reach" for Geno Smith? I don't know, but I won't get my hopes up.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:49 PM   #27
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I have heard soooo many columnists and "experts" comment about the fact that there really isnt a QB "worth" the #1 pick.

What a bunch of horse crap. In the old CBA, when you had to pay the #1 pick $60-$70 million, I could understand this arguement and could agree with that. But in today's CBA, you dont dish that much out.

Andrew Luck's contract was for $22.1 million over 4 years. Yes, they had to pay $14.5 million in a signing bonus but so what?! In 2010, the Rams paid Sam Bradford a 6 year, $78 Million dollar contract with $50 Million GUARANTEED! Thats $13 million PER YEAR vs. Luck's $5.525 Million per year.

So even if Smith or whomever isnt the true Best Player available, I really dont think that in a situation like ours, where QB is such an obvious position of need, that $22 million for the #1 pick is really as big of a "reach" as we are led to believe by the experts.

To give you a comparison to Luck's #1 pick contract from 2012 at $22M, in 2010, this would be equivalent to the contract given to the #12 pick in the 2010 draft, Ryan Matthews in SD for $25.65M over 5 years.

Heck, I say draft a QB in Rounds 1, 2 & 3! Give us some frikken QB competition!

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it's a crappy year to have the #1 pick.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:52 PM   #28
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Because they will **** it up. Determine the best QB available and take him. **** draft value.
Have to agree here. This pick is too important. Figure out who your guy is and take him. **** Kiper and McShay and their talk of draft value. Can you imagine how bad a franchise would be ran if you just made choices based on draft value?
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:53 PM   #29
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it's a crappy year to have the #1 pick.
so? We shouldn't pick a QB in the 1st round?
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:54 PM   #30
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it's a crappy year to have the #1 pick.
Bullshit. It is a normal year. Just because last year was exceptional at the QB position does not mean there is not a qb out there who can win for this franchise. Should we be pissed that the Chiefs did not make a move when their were not one, but two outstanding choices out there for qb? Hell yes. But saying that this years crop is complete garbage is a stupid statement as well. There is plenty of talent in this draft.
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