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A mock draft that will make your heads explode

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National Football PostBy Russ Lande | National Football Post – 4 hours ago



Trying to predict what players will be chosen by specific teams is nearly impossible before the All Star games, Combine and Pro Days, but below is the first mock draft of the new year. As always I try to match hat I am hearing about team's desires with what I believe are the best players available, so take a look and send me your thoughts.

1. Kansas City Chiefs: Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame, Senior: No quarterback warrants being the first overall pick and after Jovan Belcher’s suicide the Chiefs have a strong need for another impact linebacker and Te’o can be that player.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State, Junior: While many may expect the Jaguars to reach for a quarterback to replace Blaine Gabbert, we believe that Tim Tebow will be that player. So the new general manager can focus on improving the Jaguars pass rush, which has struggled with consistency in recent seasons.

3. Oakland Raiders: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: With many needs the Raiders make the decision to draft Joeckel who is viewed as potentially one of the safer choices in the Draft. Joeckel could either upgrade the Raiders at left tackle and push Veldheer to the right side or could take over at right tackle while Veldheer stays on the left; either way the Raiders offensive line improves greatly.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: Without Jason Peters playing left tackle in 2012 the Eagles’ offensive line struggled all season. So drafting Matthews gives them insurance in case Peters struggles to return from injury and could be a big upgrade at right tackle if Peters is healthy and back at left tackle for the 2013 season.

5. Detroit Lions: Kenny Vaccaro, SAF, Texas, Senior: Louis Delmas is starting to get the “injury prone” label and the Lions do not have a top level safety to play next to him. While some may view Vaccaro as a reach, we believe he would be an immediate starter for the Lions and would upgrade their pass defense.

6. Cleveland Browns: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama, Senior: The Browns have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions, but for them to blossom their offensive line needs to improve. Warmack would upgrade their interior offensive line play and improve their rushing attack immediately.

7. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State, Senior: Whomever the new head coach in Arizona ends up being, he likely will not want to count on Kolb, Skelton or Lindley for the future . So they draft the strong armed Glennon who reminds us a tremendous amount of Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

8. Buffalo Bills: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan, Junior: With OG Andy Levitre an unrestricted free agent and no established right tackle on the roster; the Bills grab Lewan who could start at right tackle from day one.

9. New York Jets: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia, Junior: While the Jets are likely to draft a quarterback to challenge Sanchez, they do not want to reach for one here. So they jump at the chance to add the explosive Jones who should upgrade their outside pass rush immediately.

10. Tennessee Titans: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama, Junior: The Titans have a number of holes, but the chance to add a strong and physical cornerback with pro bowl potential makes too much sense for them to pass up.

11. San Diego Chargers: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan, Senior: A better prospect coming out of school than Joe Staley, Fisher could take over at left tackle and help keep Philip Rivers upright for the rest of his career.

12. Miami Dolphins: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: Quarterback Ryan Tannehill showed flashes that he can be the long term answer for the Dolphins, but he needs weapons. Allen is a big play receiver who can “take the top off the defense” to open everything up for their offense.

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, Senior: The Buccaneers right side of their offensive line struggled with consistency in 2012, which leads to their choice of Aboushi who is strong, physical and consistent. He should challenge to start at either right tackle or right guard as a rookie.

14. Carolina Panthers: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah, Senior: Carolina has two quality defensive ends in Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, but its interior defensive line continued to struggle in 2012. Lotulelei would be an impact player in the middle of its defensive line from day one, which would upgrade the Panthers’ defense.

15. New Orleans Saints: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri, Junior: Sedric Ellis is an unrestricted free agent and the Saints need to upgrade their defense. Richardson would give them an explosive, penetrating defensive tackle that would regularly make impact plays behind the LOS.

16. St. Louis Rams: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina, Senior: Quarterback Sam Bradford was constantly under pressure in 2012 and Cooper is an athletic and powerful lineman with the talent to start at guard or center for the Rams.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon, Senior: James Harrison was not the impact pass rusher in 2012 that he was earlier in his career and Lamarr Woodley struggled with injuries throughout 2012, so they add Jordan. Jordan could backup both in 2013 while adding explosiveness and speed to the Steelers pass rush.

18. Dallas Cowboys: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior: Neither Jason Hatcher or Marcus Spears has become an elite defensive lineman and Hankins would add size and strength to the defensive end position in the Cowboys 34 scheme.

19. New York Giants: Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU, Senior: Osi Umenyiora ‘s contract is up so he will likely not be back and Justin Tuck has recorded two straight up and down seasons. Ansah is raw, but similar to Jason Pierre Paul in terms of athleticism, competitiveness and potential.

20. Chicago Bears: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma, Senior: To say the Bears offensive line has been a major weakness in recent seasons would be an under-statement. Johnson has only played offensive tackle for two seasons and with his height, long arms and athleticism his upside is outstanding.

21 P. Cincinnati Bengals: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: The Bengals hit big time on their selection of AJ Green and like the potential of Marvin jones, but the chance to grab Patterson, who reminds us a lot of Falcons’ receiver Roddy White, makes too much sense as he would be a great weapon opposite Green.

22 P. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: After upgrading their offensive line with their first first round pick, the Rams get the most explosive offensive weapon in the Draft for Bradford to throw to.

23 P. Baltimore Ravens: Alex Ogletree, LB, Georgia, Junior: With Ray Lewis coming off a major injury and entering his 18th season in 2013, the Ravens jump at chance to grab Ogletree who is the most explosive inside linebacker in the Draft.

24 P. Minnesota Vikings: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior: Longtime stud defensive tackle Kevin Williams is 32, so the Vikings grab Williams who can be their third defensive tackle in 2013 and take over as starter when Williams is done.

25 P. Indianapolis Colts: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State, Senior: Ryan Grigson pulled off a great trade getting cornerback Vontae Davis and now he drafts Banks to shore up the other cornerback position.

26 P. Seattle Seahawks: Barrett Jones, C / OG, Alabama, Senior: Jones is not a top athlete, but he is a smart, aggressive and versatile lineman who could start at center, guard or even tackle for Seahawks in the future.

27 P. Green Bay Packers: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame, Senior: Current tight end Jermichael Finley is not expected to return to team in 2013, so the Packers upgrade the position by drafting Eifert whose combination of size, athleticism and hands are tough to find.

28 P. San Francisco 49ers: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU, Senior: Since defensive end Justin Smith was injured, the 49ers defense has struggled greatly, so they need to find a young defensive lineman to groom as his replacement. Hunt is an incredible athlete with great length, explosiveness and strength who could turn into a star in a season or two.

29 P. Houston Texans: Eric Reid, SAF, LSU, Junior: The Texans have been expected to draft a receiver in the first round to play opposite Andre Johnson every year and never have, so I believe they will continue that trend and focus on a different position. Reid is an active safety with the toughness to be a force against the run and the range and coverage skills to help the Texans deep coverage.

30 P. New England Patriots: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M, Junior: The Patriots pass rush still struggles to get consistent pressure, so they take a gamble on Moore who has the talent to become a dominating outside linebacker in their system and bring positional versatility to their defense, which Belichick gives enormous weight to.

31 P. Atlanta Falcons: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU, Junior: John Abraham is not getting any younger, so the Falcons draft Montgomery to backup Abraham and Biermann in 2013 and take over for Abraham when he retires.

32 P. Denver Broncos: David Amerson, CB, N.C. State, Junior: Champ Bailey is nearing the end of a Hall of Fame Career, so Coach Fox adds Amerson who has the combination of size, strength, willingness to play physical and coverage skills to be a solid all-around cornerback.
No Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:46 AM   #181
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No, I'm really not. All I'm saying right now, is that Te'o is the guy in this draft, as of right now. He's the Bee's Knees as they'll say. So far the general consensus is that the QB position is a cluster**** in this draft, it isn't great, there is no separation, and of all drafts not to waste a top pick in, this is the one not to waste a top pick on a QB in. ****, Pretty sure Kiper has already even hinted at that, but I hate Kiper so lets not put stock in him.
You just did you ****ing moron.

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Point is, it isn't about taking a risk and getting boom or bust, its about priorities. If we can take that boom/bust pick in the second and get a guaranteed starter in a position of need in the first, why not take my route? And kill two birds with one stone?
Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:47 AM   #182
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Manti Te'o isn't this prized treasure that every defense needs. He's not a once-in-a-lifetime player. He's not ****ing Ray Lewis. I don't know why the hell you think he is.

He's ****ing not.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:50 AM   #183
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The problem isn't that I don't understand what you are saying. The problem is that the difference between Geno/Wilson and the rest is big enough. Having Barkley over Wilson is crazy. Also, ILB being tied with CB is crazy. That is the major issue that creates the argument. That and not understanding that the QB position is SO important that even if you aren't gaining a massive difference between 1st and 2nd round QBs, its still more than enough to make QB the pick over Teo.
Not understanding that the QB position is so important? Are you really that dumb? Do you really think that I rank QB play so lowly that I don't know the importance of the QB position in football? Did you even play football? Just a question, I did.

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You also asked me who Glennon was a while back. How can you possibly rank him properly or understand the gap between him and Geno/Wilson?
It was a joke you idiot, Jesus Christ. Sarcasm played upon you guys as Glennon now made his way into a Mock as the #1 QB taken, after it was a constant flip flop of Geno and Barkley all year, which contradicts your point made above this about how its been Geno/Wilson all along. It hasn't and the scouts/talking heads agree with me, else they would be posting mocks like last year where it was a consensus that it would be Luck/RG3 only for the #1/#2 spots, and no one else.

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That's not what I meant, what I mean is the mock drafturbator is so ****ing worthless he doesn't deserve his own thread much less an exploding head reaction when GENO will be a CHIEF with the 1st overrall pick.


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Holy shit.

You can't possibly be this ****ing stupid.
Sometimes you have to dumb it down that far for people to grasp the concept that perhaps there is, in fact, a logical process to the draft. And not just drafting a QB with your first pick because you need one, regardless of who else is on the board.

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Colquitt's on the last year of his contract. He'll need leverage. Call up Gene Smith and find out what his scouts know about punters.

And your route sucks. It delays the most important position unnecessarily. It takes away our agency and choice, which is the WHOLE ****ING POINT of giving the worst team in the NFL the #1 overall pick. Why settle for Mike Glennon or (worse) Ryan Nassib when we can pick from Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson (both of him will be gone likely by the top 10). Why would you delay taking the best possible QB all so you can get ****ing TEO?

And Te'o isn't the ****ing bee's knees of this draft. He doesn't have elite speed. He's not a physical freak like Pat Willis. He's probably pretty smart and pretty dedicated. He could be a good player, but so could Shane Skov, who can be had likely TWO ****ING ROUNDS later. Te'o isn't Patrick Willis like you think he is. He's not Ray Lewis. He's James Laurenaitis at best.
We won't let Dustin leave, this is the Kansas City Chiefs, we set records for most punts inside of the 20. How could we ever let that go?

As for the draft route, it doesn't do anything but allow us to get maximum value out of our first two draft picks, nothing else.

I really doubt at this point, that both Wilson and Smith will be gone inside of the top 10. I also doubt that there will be a thin group of solid QB's at the start of the second round. There will be 2, at most 3 QB's taken in the first, and right now, that might even look high. That is how bad this QB draft class is. That does not mean this draft class isn't good as a whole.

So many of you seem to think that the draft is based solely on the QB position. That if there isn't a solid group of QB's, the draft sucks and there isn't a solid group of players in the draft at all. That is incorrect, this is probably the most stacked linemen draft we've seen in a long time. There are a ton of serviceable QB's available, as well as a ton of linebackers available. I'm not going to argue that there isn't talent in this draft at the ILB position, I'm just saying that if there is ONE guy who ends up being leaps and bounds above everyone else, and that isn't at the QB position, and it ends up being a guy in a position of need, why not take him and get your QB later? You certainly won't lose talent by doing this.

And I really think you are underselling Te'o, it is really hard to place value on a solid tackler from a drafting perspective, but in game time situations, priceless. And what has been our biggest weakness in the front 7 for the last few years? Tackling inside the tackles, go figure.
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I really doubt at this point, that both Wilson and Smith will be gone inside of the top 10. I also doubt that there will be a thin group of solid QB's at the start of the second round. There will be 2, at most 3 QB's taken in the first, and right now, that might even look high. That is how bad this QB draft class is. That does not mean this draft class isn't good as a whole.
Wanna bet?

Smith and Wilson will be gone within the top 10. Barkley will be gone in the first round. Glennon MIGHT be gone as well, depending on what Aaron Murray is doing.

We're going to have to pick from Tyler Bray and Ryan Nassib in the 2nd round, both players who need time on the bench with the coaches before they get thrown onto the field.

They're garbage compared to Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Both of those guys have elite QB talent that you don't find in every draft. It's idiocy to pass that up all in the name of draft value.

All you're doing right now is ensuring me that the QBs will be there in the 2nd round. I think you're a ****ing lunatic. There's no way a Day 1 starting QB will be there in the 2nd round for us. At least 3 will be taken in the 1st. Likely 4, and possibly 5.

Those are NOT good odds for our guy that we draft. All so we could take ****ing TEO?
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You just did you ****ing moron.



Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.

Or:
1. Geno Smith
2. Xavier Rhodes
3a. Margus Hunt
3b. Jonathan Franklin
4. Baccari Rambo
5. AJ Klein
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Ray Ray Armstrong
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Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.

What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski.

Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit.

Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT.
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Not understanding that the QB position is so important? Are you really that dumb? Do you really think that I rank QB play so lowly that I don't know the importance of the QB position in football? Did you even play football? Just a question, I did.


It was a joke you idiot, Jesus Christ. Sarcasm played upon you guys as Glennon now made his way into a Mock as the #1 QB taken, after it was a constant flip flop of Geno and Barkley all year, which contradicts your point made above this about how its been Geno/Wilson all along.
After saying the NFL isn't that much different and also being willing to take Teo over Geno/Wilson, yeah I do think you don't understand. Congrats on playing football though. Certainly hasn't helped you understand how important an NFL QB is.

All along? Did I say that? Talking about right now. Your listing of Barkley over Wilson shows you are stuck on pre-season thoughts. Watch some Barkley. I have never listed other mocks as my source so not sure how what they say contradicts anything.
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It's up to Geno to keep his value in the top 10. Just hope he doesn't shit the bed at the Senior Bowl or Combine.

1 of these QB's will be a top 10 talent and it's probably going to be Geno or Wilson.
I'm going to say right now that it is Geno, but Wilson and Bray will give him a run for the money, but I do not think there will be two QB's taken in the top 10, and if it does happen, we're talking #9 or #10 itself. I don't see many QB's taken in the late round either, as most of them have young QB's from the last 5 years of drafting, both in terms of starters and backups.

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Personally, I've invested a shitload of time watching a lot of different QBs and developed a QB big board that is twelve deep. I watch a lot of games live and a lot of youtube snap-by-snaps since I don't have the luxury of coaches film. Sac also puts in a lot of time watching and doing research. I think you might be a little out of your depth with some of your remarks there.
Who is to say I don't do the same, or more? Are you in fact a scout for the NFL? You didn't answer that question.

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Uhh... are you a ****ing idiot?




His response is right ****ing there.

If you want to play that game at QB, why not play it with the OTHER positions. Because in this particular draft, there are really no guys that separate themselves from the pack for ANY of the positions besides defensive line and pass rusher.

If all things are equal for the ILBs, why not take a guy in the 2nd and take a QB in the first?

If all things are equal for the OTs, why not take a guy in the 2nd and take a QB in the first?

For some goddamn reason with you it has to be the QB position that gets the shaft, and talent is settled for later on.

****ing why the **** would you do that you ****ing idiot?
Idiot, no. Genius level IQ, yes. And his response wasn't right there, as it did not fit the question I asked, go back and read it over again. I made the point clear that both I and the rest of the talking heads believe the QB cluster**** to be a tossup, and the LB position is not a cluster****, there are guys out there that have separated, Te'o is one of them. At least in my eyes, and those of the professionals, for now. Again as I stated ****ing years ago now, we've yet to see Senior Bowls, Pro Days, and a Combine, which is where all of this changes.

As for the last bit, I'm not shafting Talent at the QB level really, if they are all the same, if they are all literally at a tie, why the **** would I EVER IN MY LIFE take one with the first pick of the draft, if there is a position of need that has separated himself from the rest, knowing I can get THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT at QB in the 2nd, rather than the first?

I wouldn't be shafting talent if they are all equal, now would I? ERMAHGERD THERT MERKS SCERNTS

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Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.

I just did what? There wasn't really a structure in there to make that remark with..........lol

If you really think Nassib/Glennon is our option with our 2nd round draft pick, you are putting far too much "need" for QB's going into this draft for the teams in the NFL lol. Also, go ahead and put Bray in as the #4 guy ahead of Nassib, Glennon, and Murray, if you have Murray ahead of him.

That being said, if my option is Te'o in the first and Wilson/Bray/Smith/Barkley in the 2nd, I'd rather that, RIGHT NOW (qualifying word, be careful) than Smith and Minter/Ogletree.

Emphasis on RIGHT NOW, since that is the qualifying word in that sentence and everything is subject and likely to change after the combine.
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Manti Te'o isn't this prized treasure that every defense needs. He's not a once-in-a-lifetime player. He's not ****ing Ray Lewis. I don't know why the hell you think he is.

He's ****ing not.

Because I think a lot of people here on CP undervalue him because all they want to look at is a QB right now.

And to be honest, that is a completely justifiable reason to make that statement, because if you take a step back right now, all this forum is about is QB's right now, we don't give a **** what else is going on with this roster, QB is the only position we care about. Not the contracts/lack of contracts for Bowe, Albert, Colquitt, much more important players right now than which of 5 QB's we take in this draft who haven't managed to really separate themselves yet.

Shameful really, collectively we are all so narrow minded and focused on Geno that we have lost interest elsewhere.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:10 AM   #189
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At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:14 AM   #190
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And I really think you are underselling Te'o, it is really hard to place value on a solid tackler from a drafting perspective, but in game time situations, priceless. And what has been our biggest weakness in the front 7 for the last few years? Tackling inside the tackles, go figure.
2012 Tackle Leaders:

1. Luke Kuechly: 1st round
2. NaVorro Bowman: 3rd round
3. Chad Greenway: 1st round
4. Jerod Mayo: 1st round
5. Jerrell Freeman: Undrafted free agent
6. James Laurinaitis: 2nd round
7. Bobby Wagner: 2nd round
8. Lavonte David: 2nd round
9. London Fletcher: Undrafted free agent
10. Paul Posluszny: 2nd round
11. Karlos Dansby: 2nd round
12. Daryl Washington: 2nd round
13. Russell Allen: Undrafted free agent
14. Perry Riley: 4th round
15. Vontaze Burfict: Undrafted free agent
16. Derrick Johnson: 1st round
17. Morgan Burnett: 3rd round
18. David Harris: 2nd round
19. Curtis Lofton: 2nd round
20. Rey Maualuga: 2nd round

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Old 01-02-2013, 01:16 AM   #191
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Wanna bet?

Smith and Wilson will be gone within the top 10. Barkley will be gone in the first round. Glennon MIGHT be gone as well, depending on what Aaron Murray is doing.

We're going to have to pick from Tyler Bray and Ryan Nassib in the 2nd round, both players who need time on the bench with the coaches before they get thrown onto the field.

They're garbage compared to Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Both of those guys have elite QB talent that you don't find in every draft. It's idiocy to pass that up all in the name of draft value.

All you're doing right now is ensuring me that the QBs will be there in the 2nd round. I think you're a ****ing lunatic. There's no way a Day 1 starting QB will be there in the 2nd round for us. At least 3 will be taken in the 1st. Likely 4, and possibly 5.

Those are NOT good odds for our guy that we draft. All so we could take ****ing TEO?
And who exactly is going to be taking all of these QB's in the first round? I'm curious.

And also, until we see a Combine and a few pro days, we cannot assume any player has truly separated themselves from the rest, when the talking heads themselves are picking a new QB every week for the #1 QB taken.

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Or:
1. Geno Smith
2. Xavier Rhodes
3a. Margus Hunt
3b. Jonathan Franklin
4. Baccari Rambo
5. AJ Klein
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Ray Ray Armstrong
Ewwww, and then lol @ Lattimore.

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Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.

What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski.

Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit.

Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT.
I think you're underselling Te'o stil, but it doesn't bother me. I do agree that Geno will help a lot, but how much more will Geno help over, say, Wilson or Bray? So far from what everyone has seen, that gets paid for their input, not much if any. So why not go ahead and take that guy who is head and shoulders above the rest, Te'O and then get your equal value QB in the 2nd?

Don't just argue that I'm wrong, jump inside of my hypothesis and justify your decision, or simply say "In your hypothesis you are correct, we should do that". I'm tired of having to argue adjusted variables in your guys' arguments here. My argument is simply if everything is set in stone as it sits and there is ZERO separation at QB and we are GUARANTEED to get the same talent in round 2 as round 1, would you really draft a QB? That's all I'm asking here. Simple Yes or No would suffice. "Yes" for "I'm an idiot" "No" for "I have a brain and use it at least thrice a day".

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After saying the NFL isn't that much different and also being willing to take Teo over Geno/Wilson, yeah I do think you don't understand. Congrats on playing football though. Certainly hasn't helped you understand how important an NFL QB is.

All along? Did I say that? Talking about right now. Your listing of Barkley over Wilson shows you are stuck on pre-season thoughts. Watch some Barkley. I have never listed other mocks as my source so not sure how what they say contradicts anything.
So again, you haven't comprehended anything I've written and you're just crying in your coacoa puffs because I'm not on your "Draft Geno" bandwagon? Build a bridge cry baby. I'm not sold on Geno, but I am sold on Te'o, and until Geno proves otherwise, I will not be sold on Geno or any other QB so far. Does that mean I am saying we shouldn't draft a QB? NO, you're dumb. I'm just saying we should get one in the second round if one does not emerge as an Elite QB.

As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first.

Contrary to popular belief Mr. Herptyderp, teams don't normally draft players based on their ranking.

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As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first.
We understand you perfectly. My issue isn't just where you think Wilson will get drafted, its also that you have him listed over Barkley in your actual rankings.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:20 AM   #193
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At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.
So you're under the assumption that because I say I need to see more game tape, that automatically means NightFyre has seen more than I? Because I openly admit to the fact that I haven't seen every single snap this season? Jesus Christ, really? You act like I've never seen Geno take a snap, even though I've already mentioned I've seen him play quite a few games this season. Hmmmm. Total logic on your part. Certainly seems to me like you're trying to take my modest comment about needing to see more game tape, as an angle to assert the idea that both you and NightFyre are somehow better at talent evaluation than I because you ASSUME you've seen more game tape, or that seeing the most Game Tape means you have a better evaluation than anyone else. I wonder how the world of Scouting works if that is to be the case.
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2012 Tackle Leaders:

1. Luke Kuechly: 1st round
2. NaVorro Bowman: 3rd round
3. Chad Greenway: 1st round
4. Jerod Mayo: 1st round
5. Jerrell Freeman: Undrafted free agent
6. James Laurinaitis: 2nd round
7. Bobby Wagner: 2nd round
8. Lavonte David: 2nd round
9. London Fletcher: Undrafted free agent
10. Paul Posluszny: 2nd round
11. Karlos Dansby: 2nd round
12. Daryl Washington: 2nd round
13. Russell Allen: Undrafted free agent
14. Perry Riley: 4th round
15. Vontaze Burfict: Undrafted free agent
16. Derrick Johnson: 1st round
17. Morgan Burnett: 3rd round
18. David Harris: 2nd round
19. Curtis Lofton: 2nd round
20. Rey Maualuga: 2nd round

So you're saying the majority of the Tackles being made in the NFL, are by 1st and 2nd round talents?

Where did the 5-7th round guys go? :/
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Alright gonna play some devil's advocate here.

Say that 3 weeks from now at the Senior Bowl, every QB there doesn't look great. They all look about the same. Nothing special or standing out to an NFL coaching staff and scouts have concerns.

Then at the combine, some of them show really good IQ, but again their physical abilities are good in different areas (size, touch, accuracy, etc).

Going into April, scouts from across the league, as well as GM's, reportedly don't think that any of these QB's warrant a top 10 pick because the class is that bad.

You try to trade down but nobody bites and you're stuck at 1st overall. What do you do?
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We understand you perfectly. My issue isn't just where you think Wilson will get drafted, its also that you have him listed over Barkley in your actual rankings.
Right?

Because I believe in logic and practical analysis, and don't believe that at eam will draft a guy solely because Kiper ranks him higher.

So while I do have Wilson very high on my list, I don't think the draft will follow that suit because what works for one team, will not always work for another.

You'll also remember that there seems to be USC QB love in the NFL, often making guys go much earlier than they should have in the draft, Barkley is definitely going to benefit from that IMO, but I do not think more than 3 QBs are taken in the draft, thus why I accepted that bet earlier for the sig.
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