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Old 01-05-2014, 02:38 PM  
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Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:40 PM   #2
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shit yes. he is what he is, and he's Dick Schottenheimer part II.

we'll never win a Super Bowl with him.

we'll prolly never win a Super Bowl anyway.

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Old 01-05-2014, 02:41 PM   #3
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:43 PM   #4
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:44 PM   #5
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I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?
Right on point 1 and 2. Not right on point 3 and 4. Andy Reid is a player's coach, but not the same way Norv or Romeo are. He is exceptional at motivating players and has a history of having them well prepared to play. There are two youtube videos of him coaching the sideline. Will definitely change your perception of Reid.

He is definitely an exceptional coach. But yes, point 1 and 2 could easily do him in, and nobody should be surprised that these things are happening. The Chiefs have to not only be Super Bowl good, they have to also be good enough to overcome Reid's mistakes in big situations.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:45 PM   #6
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His history of building the Eagles and then sustaining that franchise leads me to believe he will do the same here. Get in the dance and see what happens. I can not think of someone who is available who gives us a better chance.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:46 PM   #7
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I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:47 PM   #8
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I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.
He didn't have a choice.

The NFL has become VERY strict with concussion injuries with all the recent lawsuits that are cropping up.
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I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.
Anyone who thinks JC had any choice in playing after the injury or not is pretty GD dumb.
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I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.
I am almost positive this was not Charles' decision to make. And he did not look at all happy when he was taken into the locker room.
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Back to Reid, he does piss me off and there's a good chance his "limitations" and tendencies will prevent us from winning anything meaningful in his time here, but he's worked wonders on this offense.
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I'll tell you who the shine had tarnished on. As much as I love him, Jamaal Charles. I know he legitimately got hurt but in games like that you have to be there for your team, especially when you're the best player on the team.

I bet he doesn't get a concussion in Hawaii.
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He didn't have a choice.

The NFL has become VERY strict with concussion injuries with all the recent lawsuits that are cropping up.
I understand that.
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He didn't have a choice.

The NFL has become VERY strict with concussion injuries with all the recent lawsuits that are cropping up.
this.

he looked PISSED
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