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Old 01-03-2013, 12:01 AM  
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Illinois trying to go full batshit crazy on guns

Because if we make everyone who owns a gun a felon then that will stop the felons who own guns in Chicago from shooting each other.....

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Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted.

Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step.

"There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said.

In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve."

Gun rights groups, however, said the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids."

Democrats are seeking restrictions in the wake of the school massacre in Connecticut last month and mass shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado last year. While the measures were approved by the committe, supporters will have a tougher sell in the full Senate, where downstate Democrats as well as Republicans are more pro-gun.

One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.

National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.

"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.

The bill's sponsor, Sen. Antonio "Tony" Munoz, disagreed.

"For everyone that says that we're taking away their rights, well then go to the range," the Chicago Democrat told members of the Senate Public Health Committee.

The second proposal would limit ammunition magazines and other "ammunition feeding devices" to 10 or fewer rounds. A similar measure received Senate approval in 2007, but the bill's sponsor, Sen. Dan Kotowski, downplayed the idea that a separate effort on shells stood a better chance of passage than the ban on weapons.

"The reason why I'm focusing on that is because (high) magazine capacity has led to the increased lethality and the dangers associated with automatic weapons," the Park Ridge Democrat said.

Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, called for an assault-weapons ban in August after a mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater. But he took the approach -- highly unpopular with legislators -- of rewriting a fairly innocuous bill covering ammunition purchases, substituting language on semiautomatic weapons.

That failed when the General Assembly voted to override his amendatory veto, but mostly because lawmakers thought Quinn had overstepped his authority.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:40 AM   #46
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Nice deflection, dipshit. Yes, I'm aware of that.

Let me ask you something - and while I realize you're about the dumbest ****ing **** on earth, even you might be able to figure this one out.

Do you truly believe that if the anti-gun lobby gets some compromise legislation passed that restricts some weapons and some magazines, that they'll declare victory, disband and go on about their lives without giving guns another thought? Or do you think they'll use it as a stepping stone to the next thing they can get banned?

Answer that honestly, you ****ing piece of shit. I dare you.
Again, your mental deficiencies are problematic. Even if they were to get something passed, it still has to make it through the courts (and all of the recent gun decisions have been pro-gun). So they can try, but that doesn't mean anything will be done. Checks and balances frazzie, checks and balances.

Hyperventilating over this is stupid.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:46 AM   #47
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Again, your mental deficiencies are problematic. Even if they were to get something passed, it still has to make it through the courts (and all of the recent gun decisions have been pro-gun). So they can try, but that doesn't mean anything will be done. Checks and balances frazzie, checks and balances.

Hyperventilating over this is stupid.
Right. It's not like there's an anti-gun president in the White House, who'll do everything in his power to appoint more anti-gun judges, or powerful anti-gun congressmen entrenched in Congress, or that they completely control the national media or anything. Yeah, nothing to worry about. They're not up to anything. Trust in your government, what could go wrong?

You really should stick to lawn work, retard. Although you might want to leave the close-in trimming to somebody else.

And you didn't answer my question, but I didn't expect you to.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:53 AM   #48
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Nice deflection, dipshit. Yes, I'm aware of that.

Let me ask you something - and while I realize you're about the dumbest ****ing **** on earth, even you might be able to figure this one out.

Do you truly believe that if the anti-gun lobby gets some compromise legislation passed that restricts some weapons and some magazines, that they'll declare victory, disband and go on about their lives without giving guns another thought? Or do you think they'll use it as a stepping stone to the next thing they can get banned?

Answer that honestly, you ****ing piece of shit. I dare you.
I completely agree. Give an inch, take a mile. Not only will it effect the 2nd Amendment, look for it change everything in the Constitution now that politicians have proven it to be an old worn out piece of paper that doesn't apply to them.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:57 AM   #49
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Right. It's not like there's an anti-gun president in the White House, who'll do everything in his power to appoint more anti-gun judges, or powerful anti-gun congressmen entrenched in Congress, or that they completely control the national media or anything. Yeah, nothing to worry about. They're not up to anything. Trust in your government, what could go wrong?

You really should stick to lawn work, retard. Although you might want to leave the close-in trimming to somebody else.

And you didn't answer my question, but I didn't expect you to.
I did answer your question. I said they can try but nothing will happen. Color me not surprised your fat ass doesn't get that.

And again, we see your text book strawmen. I never said I trusted the government. Keep making up things to argue against though. It really demonstrates how intelligent you are.

I'm curious as to why you think the government controls the media. Also, how do the government control the media skip?
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I completely agree. Give an inch, take a mile. Not only will it effect the 2nd Amendment, look for it change everything in the Constitution now that politicians have proven it to be an old worn out piece of paper that doesn't apply to them.
With our polarized political environment, do you think it is even possible to alter the Constitution?
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I heard on the radio last night that Giffords and her husband (who are "staunch supporters of the second amendmend ) are launching some anti-gun group. One of their stated goals is to "counteract the influence of the NRA."

BECAUSE APPARENTLY THREE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS ISN'T ENOUGH.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:01 AM   #52
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I heard on the radio last night that Giffords and her husband (who are "staunch supporters of the second amendmend ) are launching some anti-gun group. One of their stated goals is to "counteract the influence of the NRA."

BECAUSE APPARENTLY THREE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS ISN'T ENOUGH.
You are as unhinged as Skip was before he was shamed away from the board.
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I did answer your question. I said they can try but nothing will happen. Color me not surprised your fat ass doesn't get that.

And again, we see your text book strawmen. I never said I trusted the government. Keep making up things to argue against though. It really demonstrates how intelligent you are.

I'm curious as to why you think the government controls the media. Also, how do the government control the media skip?
Why do I think the think the government controls the media? Gee, because I actually read, watch and hear what they say?

What's wrong - can't you hear the radio over the sound of your lawnmower?
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You are as unhinged as Skip was before he was shamed away from the board.
If you're waiting for that to be your salvation, amigo, you might want to pack a lunch.
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I heard on the radio last night that Giffords and her husband (who are "staunch supporters of the second amendmend ) are launching some anti-gun group. One of their stated goals is to "counteract the influence of the NRA."

BECAUSE APPARENTLY THREE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS ISN'T ENOUGH.
Good grief. Yet, they whine about FOX* all the time. They are thought controllers.

* I don't care for Fox on FP but I am with them on the gun debate.
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Right. It's not like there's an anti-gun president in the White House, who'll do everything in his power to appoint more anti-gun judges, or powerful anti-gun congressmen entrenched in Congress, or that they completely control the national media or anything. Yeah, nothing to worry about. They're not up to anything. Trust in your government, what could go wrong?

You really should stick to lawn work, retard. Although you might want to leave the close-in trimming to somebody else.

And you didn't answer my question, but I didn't expect you to.
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Why do I think the think the government controls the media? Gee, because I actually read, watch and hear what they say?

What's wrong - can't you hear the radio over the sound of your lawnmower?
And because you disagree with them, you assume the government controls them. You are ****ing retarded.

ABC is owned by Disney. Disney is a public corporation. Nice to know the government covertly controls the whole company.

CBS is it's own corporation. Glad to know the government controls them too.

Comcast and GE own NBC. eh you should get the point (but probably won't).

It's awesome how the private sector is the right's savior but, when convenient for their arguments, they are controlled by the government.
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I listen to WBBM (CBS-affiliated) news radio daily. Mainly for traffic and weather information, but also to chuckle at their horseshit liberal agenda which they don't even try to hide. There are always anti-gun stories - whether it's something Rahmbo said, or Quinn, Bloomberg, Brady, Cumeo, Jackson, etc. - it's always there. If they even bother to mention a conflicting viewpoint as a footnote to the main story, it's also attributed to the NRA and only the NRA. There is never any mention of undeniable crime staticistics that blow anti-gun arguments out of the water. And for every fleeting story they grudingly air about an homeowner who successfully used a gun to fend off a burglar, they'll air a hundred soundbites from anti-gun rallies featuring weepy welfare turds crying about their gangbanger brats getting greased by criminals using illegal guns.

But it's not like they have an agenda or anything.

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With our polarized political environment, do you think it is even possible to alter the Constitution?
It's possible to chip away at it and, with politically appointed members of the Supreme Court having the final say on exactly what constitutional means, it doesn't have to be rewritten.
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