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Old 01-03-2013, 12:01 AM  
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Illinois trying to go full batshit crazy on guns

Because if we make everyone who owns a gun a felon then that will stop the felons who own guns in Chicago from shooting each other.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50350330...-restrictions/

Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted.

Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step.

"There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said.

In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve."

Gun rights groups, however, said the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids."

Democrats are seeking restrictions in the wake of the school massacre in Connecticut last month and mass shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado last year. While the measures were approved by the committe, supporters will have a tougher sell in the full Senate, where downstate Democrats as well as Republicans are more pro-gun.

One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.

National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.

"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.

The bill's sponsor, Sen. Antonio "Tony" Munoz, disagreed.

"For everyone that says that we're taking away their rights, well then go to the range," the Chicago Democrat told members of the Senate Public Health Committee.

The second proposal would limit ammunition magazines and other "ammunition feeding devices" to 10 or fewer rounds. A similar measure received Senate approval in 2007, but the bill's sponsor, Sen. Dan Kotowski, downplayed the idea that a separate effort on shells stood a better chance of passage than the ban on weapons.

"The reason why I'm focusing on that is because (high) magazine capacity has led to the increased lethality and the dangers associated with automatic weapons," the Park Ridge Democrat said.

Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, called for an assault-weapons ban in August after a mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater. But he took the approach -- highly unpopular with legislators -- of rewriting a fairly innocuous bill covering ammunition purchases, substituting language on semiautomatic weapons.

That failed when the General Assembly voted to override his amendatory veto, but mostly because lawmakers thought Quinn had overstepped his authority.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:50 AM   #91
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If you had to choose between two things - the right to own a gun or the right to have an abortion, what would you choose?
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:01 PM   #92
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If I was:

man=gun
woman=abortion
Really?

You believe a woman's life is less important than a man's? You believe it's less important for a woman to be able to protect herself than have the option to abort her baby?



What if the woman in question is pregnant because she got raped? If she'd had a gun, she wouldn't have gotten raped, then wouldn't need an abortion.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:02 PM   #93
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:06 PM   #94
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So you're a killer at heart?
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:31 PM   #95
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Really?

You believe a woman's life is less important than a man's? You believe it's less important for a woman to be able to protect herself than have the option to abort her baby?



What if the woman in question is pregnant because she got raped? If she'd had a gun, she wouldn't have gotten raped, then wouldn't need an abortion.
Of course not and that is not what I said. A woman should be able to protect herself and that includes her health.

And besides if she has a man he has to protect her
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:09 PM   #96
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I guess if I was getting regularly owned in these threads and was too ****ing dumb to see it, I'd declare victory, too.

Nice work, de Gaulle.
. You haven't made a single point in all of your posts. You have done nothing but ramble and construct ridiculous hypotheticals and strawmen. You are clown shoes. You have no clue how a debate is supposed to work. You start with premises that you think the other person has (whether they said it or not) and argue against that instead of what has actually been said. Color me not surprised you lack the comprehension skills to not recognize that.

Exactly how do you think I've been owned in this thread?
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:11 PM   #97
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Really?

You believe a woman's life is less important than a man's? You believe it's less important for a woman to be able to protect herself than have the option to abort her baby?



What if the woman in question is pregnant because she got raped? If she'd had a gun, she wouldn't have gotten raped, then wouldn't need an abortion.
Case in point.

You are a master of logical fallacies and your posts are about the same quality as BEP or livesteam.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #98
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. You haven't made a single point in all of your posts. You have done nothing but ramble and construct ridiculous hypotheticals and strawmen. You are clown shoes. You have no clue how a debate is supposed to work. You start with premises that you think the other person has (whether they said it or not) and argue against that instead of what has actually been said. Color me not surprised you lack the comprehension skills to not recognize that.

Exactly how do you think I've been owned in this thread?
I consistently show you to be an idiot and fool. I guess we can now add liar to the list, since you were obviously talking out your ass about knowing anything about New York's gun laws (nice deflection blowing it off, too). Par for the course for the morally bankrupt hate-raging piece of shit you are.

Was there anything else? That grass won't mow itself, you know.
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Case in point.

You are a master of logical fallacies and your posts are about the same quality as BEP or livesteam.
So do you agree with Dirk's assessment? Or are you just being your normal dumbass **** sniping self?
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So do you agree with Dirk's assessment? Or are you just being your normal dumbass **** sniping self?
The initial question is a false choice.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=false+choice+fallacy
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I consistently show you to be an idiot and fool. I guess we can now add liar to the list, since you were obviously talking out your ass about knowing anything about New York's gun laws (nice deflection blowing it off, too). Par for the course for the morally bankrupt hate-raging piece of shit you are.

Was there anything else? That grass won't mow itself, you know.
Ok frazzie. I looked up NY's gun laws because I was looking at a move there. I own guns so I wanted to know what the issues would be. I guess you're omniscient now and have access to my google search history.

So again, where exactly have I been "owned" in this thread? The only thing you've been doing is hyperventilating like a menopausal woman having a panic attack.
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The initial question is a false choice.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=false+choice+fallacy
Aren't you cute as you tap dance around the subject. What a pussy.

It's a simple question - so simple even a raging moron like you should be answer to it.
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Ok frazzie. I looked up NY's gun laws because I was looking at a move there. I own guns so I wanted to know what the issues would be. I guess you're omniscient now and have access to my google search history.

So again, where exactly have I been "owned" in this thread? The only thing you've been doing is hyperventilating like a menopausal woman having a panic attack.
Access to the idiocy you spew here is more than enough.
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hmmm. I read the title and was very intrigued to read this. per this article, I don't see IL as "going full batshit crazy"!
my wifes family is in IL and we'd have to put our CCW weapons in a locked case in the trunk and keep ammo up front while in IL. my understanding is that IL just changed that law and now recognizes CCW permits. that's a huge step forward.
while I would agree that limiting firearms sales can be viewed as stepping on peoples rights....I wouldn't agree that limiting magazine sizes to 10 or less is necessarily going batshit crazy.

in my mind they took two steps forward and one step back.
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hmmm. I read the title and was very intrigued to read this. per this article, I don't see IL as "going full batshit crazy"!
my wifes family is in IL and we'd have to put our CCW weapons in a locked case in the trunk and keep ammo up front while in IL. my understanding is that IL just changed that law and now recognizes CCW permits. that's a huge step forward.
while I would agree that limiting firearms sales can be viewed as stepping on peoples rights....I wouldn't agree that limiting magazine sizes to 10 or less is necessarily going batshit crazy.

in my mind they took two steps forward and one step back.
I wouldn't read too much in that recognition yet. Madigan (**** Attorney General and rabid gun hater) is doing and will do everything in her power to get the CC ruling either struck down or so loaded with bullshit (see NYC gun laws) that it will basically be impossible for the average citizen to conceal carry. I have little doubt Chicago will find a way to effectively restrict it. It remains to be seen how this will play out in the rest of the state.
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