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Old 01-03-2013, 12:03 PM  
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Tom Heckert: Likely new GM...

According to multiple reports, if this deal gets wrapped, Heckert is in.

EDIT: Schefter reporting that Dorsey is also someone Reid wants to talk to.

Thoughts? He's no Pioli, but have his moves with the Browns left you impressed?

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In the past two years, Heckert overhauled a veteran-laded roster built by Mangini and spearheaded a youth movement. The Browns finished 2012 with 29 players on their 53-man roster who were either in their first or second NFL seasons. They also had a league-high 87 combined starts from rookies this season.

Heckert acquired 17 of the Browns’ 22 starters from 2012. Of those 17 starters brought in by Heckert, he drafted the following 11: cornerback Joe Haden, defensive tackle Phil Taylor, running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden (first-round picks); strong safety T.J. Ward, defensive end Jabaal Sheard, wide receivers Greg Little and Josh Gordon, a selection in the 2012 supplemental draft, offensive right tackle Mitchell Schwartz (second-round picks); right guard Shawn Lauvao (third-round pick); and strongside linebacker James-Michael Johnson (fourth-round pick).

None of the players Heckert picked for the Browns has made the Pro Bowl yet. But several seem to have bright futures.

“He’s a great general manager,” Haden said Sunday night. “I can tell by the way he drafts players. You can look and you see his draft picks are out there on the field just basically balling for the team. He drafted me. He drafted T.J. He drafted Weeden. He drafted Richardson. This is such a young team, and all of his players are out there playing. That says a lot.”

Still, not every pick has panned out as planned.

Heckert, who has Youngstown roots, let fullback Lawrence Vickers go in free agency and replaced him with Owen Marecic, a fourth-round pick in 2011. Marecic was plagued by dropped passes and lost his spot atop the depth chart in 2012. Heckert traded a third-round and two fifth-round picks in 2010 to move up in the second round to select running back Montario Hardesty, whose career has been plagued by injuries, including a torn ACL in his left knee as a rookie in 2010 and a torn calf muscle that forced him to sit out six games in 2011. The jury is still out on Hardesty, who stayed healthy in 2012.

Although Heckert bolstered several positions – perhaps most notably the defensive line – he might have failed to bring a franchise quarterback to Cleveland. In Heckert’s first two years with the Browns, they cycled through Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. They drafted Weeden 22nd overall in 2012.

Weeden, a 29-year-old former minor-league baseball player, played 15 games and finished with a franchise rookie record 3,385 passing yards and 14 touchdowns, but he also threw 17 interceptions and posted a passer rating of 72.6. It remains to be seen whether the new regime will give Weeden another season to prove himself after an inconsistent rookie year.

Heckert’s drafts will be remembered for some blockbuster deals – including one couldn’t pull off. The Browns failed in their attempt to trade with the St. Louis Rams for the right to draft Robert Griffin III second overall in 2012.

In March, the Browns offered the Rams two first-round selections (Nos. 4 and 22 overall) and a first-round pick in 2013 for the right to draft Griffin at No. 2. The Washington Redskins, though, struck a deal by giving up their first- and second-round picks in 2012 (Nos. 6 and 39), plus a first-round choice in 2013 and another in 2014. The Browns reportedly tried to add their 2012 second-round pick (No. 37) with a second proposal, but the Rams had already decided to accept the Redskins' offer.

Then on April 26, Heckert traded picks in the first (No. 4), fourth (No. 118), fifth (No. 139) and seventh (No. 211) rounds to the Minnesota Vikings, allowing the Browns to move up to the No. 3 slot, where they nabbed Richardson. The Browns were also aggressive by picking Weeden at No. 22 because there was a chance he would have been available to them early in the second round, when they ended up taking Schwartz at No. 37.

In 2011, Heckert traded the sixth overall pick in 2011 to the Atlanta Falcons, which they used to select wide receiver Julio Jones sixth overall in 2011. In exchange, the Browns received picks in the first (27th), second (59th) and fourth (124th) rounds in 2011 and first- and fourth-rounders in 2012. Heckert then traded the 27th overall pick and a third-round selection (No. 70) to move up to No. 21, so he could take Taylor. He drafted Little with No. 59, Marecic with No. 124, Weeden with the Falcons’ first-round pick last year and traded their fourth-round choice.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:28 PM   #31
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His draft picks have built a pretty solid foundation on defense for Cleveland. Phil Taylor, Joe Haden, Jabaal Sheard and TJ Ward were very good draft picks IMO
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:29 PM   #32
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:29 PM   #33
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More Cleveland rejects.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Looking forward to that top 5 pick again next season.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:30 PM   #34
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Looking forward to that top 5 pick again next season.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:31 PM   #35
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Exactly what was wrong with that?

Richardson was seen as the next Adrian Peterson. The Browns needed an offensive star. Moving up 2 spots instead of hoping that he would fall isn't that big of a ****ing deal.
ya at least it shows he's willing to do something to get the guy he wants. Trent Richardson is not a common RB.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:36 PM   #36
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:42 PM   #37
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Based on recent track record, John Dorsey in Green Bay is a better option.

Also Dorsey's history in Green Bay is as a college scout/Director of College Scouting... similar to what Dimitroff was with the Patriots.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:44 PM   #38
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ya at least it shows he's willing to do something to get the guy he wants. Trent Richardson is not a common RB.
By the end of next year he'll be a top 5 HB.

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Old 01-03-2013, 12:49 PM   #39
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I really like the selections he's made defensively. He's certainly reached on picks offensively (Little, Weeden) out of necessity.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:52 PM   #40
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Based on recent track record, John Dorsey in Green Bay is a better option.

Also Dorsey's history in Green Bay is as a college scout/Director of College Scouting... similar to what Dimitroff was with the Patriots.
Dorsey is a possibility if Heckert falls through, but it sounds more likely that it will be Heckert. Dorsey is up for a number of jobs, and he may be harder to pry away if someone else is going to give him final say...
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:54 PM   #41
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I tend to think Pioli would be out, but at least one person close to the Patriots speculated that Pioli might survive if Reid joins KC.

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This morning’s news that the Kansas City Chiefs are on the verge of a deal with Andy Reid to become their next head coach, as reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen, is viewed as a best-case-possible scenario for general manager Scott Pioli from this perspective. Reid is one of Bill Belichick’s closest friends in the business. Pioli and Belichick obviously have a strong link from the past. If Pioli is going to survive in Kansas City in a reshaped front-office structure, it would be with a coach like Reid.
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It really comes down to whether Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and can work with (and under) Reid in the same way he worked with (and under) Belichick. Another Boston sportswriter, Greg Bedard (who is relatively new to Boston and is not a Patriots toady) said on sports radio last week that "if you ask around the league, the general consensus is that he has upgraded the talent in Kansas City and has done a pretty good job with that roster, though obviously he has missed in the critical coach and quarterback spots" (not a direct quote, but very, very close).

Not what you guys want to hear, I know, but that's what I've been hearing up here anyway.
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Sounds like Reid is going to have most of the power on who the picks are. Any GM would be there to give Reid his advice and knowledge.
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I tend to think Pioli would be out, but at least one person close to the Patriots speculated that Pioli might survive if Reid joins KC.



http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...tball-thoughts


It really comes down to whether Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and can work with (and under) Reid in the same way he worked with (and under) Belichick. Another Boston sportswriter, Greg Bedard (who is relatively new to Boston and is not a Patriots toady) said on sports radio last week that "if you ask around the league, the general consensus is that he has upgraded the talent in Kansas City and has done a pretty good job with that roster, though obviously he has missed in the critical coach and quarterback spots" (not a direct quote, but very, very close).

Not what you guys want to hear, I know, but that's what I've been hearing up here anyway.
Well Clark is picking the coach so that part gets solved. As far as finding a QB? The new coach can get that done. Scot needs to go. The situation here is totaly toxic for him. I don't see how he could be productive here after everything that has happened.
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I tend to think Pioli would be out, but at least one person close to the Patriots speculated that Pioli might survive if Reid joins KC.



http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...tball-thoughts


It really comes down to whether Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and can work with (and under) Reid in the same way he worked with (and under) Belichick. Another Boston sportswriter, Greg Bedard (who is relatively new to Boston and is not a Patriots toady) said on sports radio last week that "if you ask around the league, the general consensus is that he has upgraded the talent in Kansas City and has done a pretty good job with that roster, though obviously he has missed in the critical coach and quarterback spots" (not a direct quote, but very, very close).

Not what you guys want to hear, I know, but that's what I've been hearing up here anyway.
All things being equal, that may have been the case if Reid's agent wasn't Bob LaMonte. Being that his agent is Bob LaMonte, as well as Heckert's, and that Pioli's agent isn't Bob LaMonte, it is fairly likely that LaMonte insisted that Heckert be included as part of the deal.

The only way Pioli would survive is if someone else hired both Heckert and Dorsey, which would mean that LaMonte wouldn't need to worry about those guys getting paid...
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