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Old 01-04-2013, 10:28 AM  
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I Predict The 2013 QB's To Be

The Chiefs recognise that there needs to be a shakeout at the QB position. I'll go out on a limb and predict that the QB roster for 2013 will be, in no certain order.

1- Geno Smith I think the Chiefs will trade down about 10 spots, find him available, take him and pick up an extra pick.

2- Ricki Stanzi The guy must have some talent to remain on the roster. There is a history of skill position players blooming when they actually get a fair chance.

3- Alex Tanney Just on the strength of his arm he can make it in the NFL. Best part is we already have him.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:02 PM   #136
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I could see Cassel as a very decent backup but not in KC.

I'm guessing we get Dorsey ergo we sign Matt Flynn.

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Old 01-04-2013, 10:11 PM   #137
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There is no question that Stanzi regressed from his first preseason to his second...his first came without a training camp or other offseason activities due to the lockout, meaning he was going off his college coaching.

That can mean a few things:

He is a total loss and can't figure out the pro game
The coaching he has received as a pro has been totally worthless.
The coaches were playing favorites (Pioli is classes pet and Romeos was Quinn)

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I guess we will all see what Stanzi has to offer without the political stuff going forward because Reid is a bonified QB guru.

Should be interesting.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:14 PM   #138
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They aren't keeping Cassel at 8million and Quinn was on a 1 year deal and did nothing to deserve to be re-signed.

Stanzi is the only quarterback under a reasonable contract for 2013.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:15 PM   #139
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There is no question that Stanzi regressed from his first preseason to his second...his first came without a training camp or other offseason activities due to the lockout, meaning he was going off his college coaching.

That can mean a few things:

He is a total loss and can't figure out the pro game
The coaching he has received as a pro has been totally worthless.
The coaches were playing favorites (Pioli is classes pet and Romeos was Quinn)

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I guess we will all see what Stanzi has to offer without the political stuff going forward because Reid is a bonified QB guru.

Should be interesting.
And if he's cut, the bold is what Stanzi ball washers will cling to.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:16 PM   #140
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I just hope Reid doesn't think the same about Stanzi as some of you guys. I want Reid working with Geno or whomever he takes first and helping him develop and be ready to begin the season. NOT wasting time on Stanzi!
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:22 PM   #141
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. We might get Flynn, but there's really no way in **** that Quinn stays on this roster as the #2 QB.

Hell, I'd be completely fine with a QB of Cassel's caliber as the backup. His contract means this won't happen, but he's still ridiculously better than Quinn.
The #2 guy here is actually irrelevant. The #3 guys the future.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:26 PM   #142
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And if he's cut, the bold is what Stanzi ball washers will cling to.
I can guarantee you that I will back whatever decision Reid makes regarding Stanzi.

All I'm saying is that I know the coaching staff he worked under was total, complete crap...therefore it's nearly impossible to properly judge Stanzi based on his time with them.

The truth is that Stanzi regressed last year and I think that was due to poor coaching, that doesn't mean his mistakes were all due to that factor, though. Some of it was embarrassingly bad and he didn't look to be deserving of the stae he was on, even a preseason one. I guess we will see.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:27 PM   #143
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The #2 guy here is actually irrelevant. The #3 guys the future.
Backwards KC fan logic. The number 2 guy better damn well be your future.

#2 QB in NE? Denver?

Just because the Chiefs have, historically, not known the first thing about QBs doesn't mean that it excuses the fanbase for following suit.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:27 PM   #144
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I can guarantee you that I will back whatever decision Reid makes regarding Stanzi.

All I'm saying is that I know the coaching staff he worked under was total, complete crap...therefore it's nearly impossible to properly judge Stanzi based on his time with them.

The truth is that Stanzi regressed last year and I think that was due to poor coaching. I guess we will see.
I agree completely with this take.

As I stated, I didn't like Stanzi as a prospect, so my comments about him have never wavered from this stance. That said, I believe he should have seen playing time during '12 because it was a lost season. Thus, there was no risk and nothing but potential upside, should Stanzi emerge/surprise/etc.
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You expect a 5th round pick of the prior regime to stick around? Even though he couldn't get activated during the Cassel/Quinn era?
I think having QB competent coaching in town will be perfect for Stanzi. I mean, at any point ever in the Pioli era, did you EVER see any QB get better at anything?

Who's fault is it that Stanzi looked lost this preseason? The guy was a FILM RAT in college. He certainly did not look lost his rookie year. His failures lie at the feet of Jim Zorn, and Brian Daboll.

I've been nothing but disappointed in Zorn.

Reid has done a lot more, with a lot less than what Stanzi has to offer.
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It made perfect sense if you're following what you're typing.

According to you, RAC wanted to start Stanzi, but Pioli said, "**** that."

OK, prove it. A link stating that RAC was contemplating Stanzi in week 15, which was complete bullshit had you actually listened to the presser that week, doesn't prove that Pioli pulled the plug.

Pioli said no, even though RAC had already benched Pioli's son? Makes sense. It's logical, despite the total lack of evidence.
RAC didn't bench Pioli's son when RAC wanted to start Stanzi. Cassel was injured, and from there on out Pioli's "interests" in the roster management position were pretty blatantly shown, especially going into this year with the laughable "QB Competition" we had in camp. You know, the one where Pioli decided that we shouldn't have one for starter, because Cassel was the clear cut guy and whatnot.

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I'm a Hawkeyes fan. I loved Stanzi. I loved watching the Chiefs draft him. There's no way anyone can seriously and with any hint of intelligence believe that he has an NFL future.

This ain't your Ferentz's Chiefs.
I've got quite a bit of intelligence that doesn't need to be hinted at, and I believe Stanzi has a future in the NFL. I'm not saying the guy is going to go out there and post up a career as a starter for another team, but I believe he's got everything you need in a QB to win games. Is it enough, or more, to skip over Geno? Probably not. Stanzi's had so many coaches come through this team since he has been here that I believe its done more harm than good. Maybe reid can fix that and turn him into a serviceable QB in this league, one where he could serve as Geno's backup indefinitely, and in the case that Geno goes down, play well enough to continue to win games for us.

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There is no question that Stanzi regressed from his first preseason to his second...his first came without a training camp or other offseason activities due to the lockout, meaning he was going off his college coaching.

That can mean a few things:

He is a total loss and can't figure out the pro game
The coaching he has received as a pro has been totally worthless.
The coaches were playing favorites (Pioli is classes pet and Romeos was Quinn)

...

I guess we will all see what Stanzi has to offer without the political stuff going forward because Reid is a bonified QB guru.

Should be interesting.
#1 cannot be true, he came from Iowa under Ferentz where they run an NFL style offense in the Big Ten against teams that are close to "nfl style" defenses as you can get, and he was very, very successful there. I believe Option 2 is the main part to go with here, but I don't rule out #3.

Cassel was Pioli's guy, and Quinn was Crennel's guy.

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They aren't keeping Cassel at 8million and Quinn was on a 1 year deal and did nothing to deserve to be re-signed.

Stanzi is the only quarterback under a reasonable contract for 2013.
These two points about Cassel and Stanzi have been what I'm getting at this entire time, and I don't believe it would be wise to completely gut the QB position here, as it is going to take some time to establish a Rythym. Stanzi is a folk hero here in KC, he's got a really good relationship with the 2nd and 3rd string guys, and I believe Reid will come in here, keep him, bring in our rookies and FA's, and build upon that relationship, whether Stanzi is 2nd or 3rd string. Stanzi kind of gives you that "rudy" guy on this roster, simply in terms of his work ethic, and no coach is going to look at that and not use it as a motivational tool.

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I just hope Reid doesn't think the same about Stanzi as some of you guys. I want Reid working with Geno or whomever he takes first and helping him develop and be ready to begin the season. NOT wasting time on Stanzi!
I don't think there is a single person here advocating that Reid come in and spend time on Stanzi that he would otherwise spend on Geno.

However, you can't be so clueless as to think that Reid will come in here and spend all of his time on Geno and no one else. That isn't how coaching works, that isn't how you win games.

The QB's coach, whoever it ends up being, is going to have that closest link to Geno/Stanzi, and Reid is going to ALSO keep a close relationship there with Geno especially, as I believe Reid sees Geno as the next McNabb and will do anything he can to cultivate that talent as he was successful once doing it.

But, you can't cultivate just one QB in this league. The Redskins might not make the playoffs if Kirk Cousins doesn't go out there and win a game. And Kirk was nothing compared to Stanzi in college. Makes me think you just need solid coaching for these Big 10 QB's to get them to function properly. We haven't exactly had solid coaching here in KC, not to the likes of a Reid or a Shanahan, and I hate Shanahan.
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I can guarantee you that I will back whatever decision Reid makes regarding Stanzi.

All I'm saying is that I know the coaching staff he worked under was total, complete crap...therefore it's nearly impossible to properly judge Stanzi based on his time with them.

The truth is that Stanzi regressed last year and I think that was due to poor coaching, that doesn't mean his mistakes were all due to that factor, though. Some of it was embarrassingly bad and he didn't look to be deserving of the stae he was on, even a preseason one. I guess we will see.
And to be honest, it is hard to tell whether Stanzi regressed or not, we barely got to see him in the preseason, and we didn't get to see him with players who might actually stand a chance at the 53 man roster. It seems to me like when Crennel got his guy here, knowing Cassel was the "IT" man, that he just dumped Stanzi off to go pretend to be Peyton Manning to get the defense up to speed.

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Backwards KC fan logic. The number 2 guy better damn well be your future.

#2 QB in NE? Denver?

Just because the Chiefs have, historically, not known the first thing about QBs doesn't mean that it excuses the fanbase for following suit.
I believe in terms of importance for us, our #2 guy should have an immediate importance in terms of starting right now and playing a game. With teams like ours, your #1 is your QBotF who can start, your #2 guy is the vet, and your #3 guy is that project QB who could be #1 or #2, but needs time to evaluate and work on his faults.

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I think having QB competent coaching in town will be perfect for Stanzi. I mean, at any point ever in the Pioli era, did you EVER see any QB get better at anything?

Who's fault is it that Stanzi looked lost this preseason? The guy was a FILM RAT in college. He certainly did not look lost his rookie year. His failures lie at the feet of Jim Zorn, and Brian Daboll.

I've been nothing but disappointed in Zorn.

Reid has done a lot more, with a lot less than what Stanzi has to offer.
Pretty much with you here, aside from Zorn. I'm on the fence about him. I know he's a good QB's coach, and he seemed to work well with Stanzi early on, then it just stopped. Not sure what the deal was there.

Either way, Stanzi is going to stay here, and I'm intrigued to see what Reid does with him.
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I agree completely with this take.

As I stated, I didn't like Stanzi as a prospect, so my comments about him have never wavered from this stance. That said, I believe he should have seen playing time during '12 because it was a lost season. Thus, there was no risk and nothing but potential upside, should Stanzi emerge/surprise/etc.
Did you like Cousins coming out of college? I ask because it's completely irrational to give one fraction of an ounce of dap to Cousins more than Stanzi.

As much as people want to say, "C'mon, give Kirk Cousins a break, he was way better than Stanzi" it's pretty hard to point to anything Cousins did in college that Stanzi didn't do. Even in their styles of play and talent level.

Ferentz doesn't produce QBs? Well how many has Mark Dantonio produced? I haven't heard what Jeff Smoker has been up to lately.

And yet Cousins goes to Washington in a zero pressure situation with a fantastic QB coach. The starter ahead of him is an elite athlete who has made the offense click better than any Redskins QB since Joe ****ing Theisman. Shit starts to move, people gain confidence, defenses start to give respect to all facets of the offense, and before you know it Cousins is placed in the perfect situation against a weak Browns defense to go out and look phenomenal.

And then what happens? People think Cousins is actually ****ing LEGIT?

(Not talking about you, Deez) Blows my ****ing mind how easily fooled most football fans are. Even a lot of the smart ones.
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