Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Royal Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2013, 09:20 PM  
Shox Shox is offline
Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Casino cash: $5015
Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.
Posts: 678
Shox has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:08 PM   #61
Messier Messier is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Casino cash: $5025
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.
Why?
Posts: 6,496
Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:08 PM   #62
DeezNutz DeezNutz is offline
PermaBanned
 
DeezNutz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jouissance
Casino cash: $6685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.
Yeah, Clark hasn't proven that he's willing to spend money for a winner. He just flushed three years of Pioli + all of the failures that Fat Scott brought on this organization.

Meanwhile, Clark hired only one of the most expensive coaches, who is working to assemble an all-star staff and FO.

Clark is cheap.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by badgirl View Post
If you met me in person and didn't know who I was you would never guess it was me.
Posts: 46,728
DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:09 PM   #63
Tombstone RJ Tombstone RJ is offline
Broncos' Fan Extraordinaire!
 
Tombstone RJ's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver
Casino cash: $6545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit with the Broncos otherwise bust)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.
fyp
__________________
ORANGE COLORED GLASSES ARE ALWAYS ON!

Posts: 3,442
Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Tombstone RJ has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:09 PM   #64
DeezNutz DeezNutz is offline
PermaBanned
 
DeezNutz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jouissance
Casino cash: $6685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.
I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by badgirl View Post
If you met me in person and didn't know who I was you would never guess it was me.
Posts: 46,728
DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:10 PM   #65
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $10243
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)
Two busts out of twelve picks and you think that's bad?
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 28,752
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:11 PM   #66
Shox Shox is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Casino cash: $5015
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz View Post
I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.
What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.
Posts: 678
Shox has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:13 PM   #67
DeezNutz DeezNutz is offline
PermaBanned
 
DeezNutz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jouissance
Casino cash: $6685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.
Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by badgirl View Post
If you met me in person and didn't know who I was you would never guess it was me.
Posts: 46,728
DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:14 PM   #68
Shox Shox is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Casino cash: $5015
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz View Post
Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.
LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.
Posts: 678
Shox has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:15 PM   #69
Mother****erJones Mother****erJones is offline
Can't Use That Disney Ass Name
 
Mother****erJones's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Charleston, SC
Casino cash: $8540
Someone lock away and throw away the key to this thread
__________________
Adopt a Chief: Jamaal Charles


Clay: 9/10/08
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead View Post
Alex Smith is really talented. BIG arm, very mobile. The injury is really just bad luck.
Posts: 11,290
Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.Mother****erJones is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:16 PM   #70
DeezNutz DeezNutz is offline
PermaBanned
 
DeezNutz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jouissance
Casino cash: $6685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.
Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by badgirl View Post
If you met me in person and didn't know who I was you would never guess it was me.
Posts: 46,728
DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.DeezNutz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:18 PM   #71
KCChiefsFan88 KCChiefsFan88 is offline
Wanted: A Franchise QB
 
KCChiefsFan88's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Miami, FL
Casino cash: $6966
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.
7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.
Posts: 8,528
KCChiefsFan88 has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:20 PM   #72
Shox Shox is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Casino cash: $5015
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz View Post
Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?
The question has nothing to do with my position that Reid's draft history has not been great overall.

Of course he hit with McNabb and it made a huge impact on the Eagles. I get it. He has an opportunity to do it in the coming draft for the Chiefs.

That has nothing to do with all of the remaining picks over 14 drafts which is below average in my opinion.
Posts: 678
Shox has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:21 PM   #73
slimdagreat slimdagreat is offline
Starter
 
slimdagreat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: New Orleans, LA
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I did. I looked at the Eagles. Not that impressive.
You only looked at the 1st round. Drafts aren't won in the first round.
Drafts are won when you get the following Pro Bowlers AFTER THE FIRST ROUND
Brian Westbrook (91st pick)
DeSean Jackson (49th pick)
Trent Cole (146th pick)
Derrick Burgess (63rd pick)
LeSean McCoy (53rd pick)
Michael Lewis (58th pick)

That's drafting well. Missing on 1st rounders isn't good but the keys to being a great drafting team are
-Nailing QB picks
-Finding gems in late rounds
Posts: 87
slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.slimdagreat < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:21 PM   #74
Messier Messier is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Casino cash: $5025
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shox View Post
I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.
Still waiting for why you'd take a back up RB, a CB thats not on the team, and a so-so CB over two DL that together had 11 sacks last year and a starting, albeit, often injured G. If anything it's a push.

I'm gonna go ahead and call it, that you don't know what your talking about.
Posts: 6,496
Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.Messier would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 10:22 PM   #75
Shox Shox is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Casino cash: $5015
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Janus View Post
7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.
Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.
Posts: 678
Shox has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:41 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.