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displacedinMN · 08:32 AM

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.

Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST

A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Sure we can stop there. That's what you accused me of which is simply false, and explains why I was unaware of the 4 handgun fallacy. You however, ate that tainted grass up, yum yum! Or how does that go Dolly, baaaa, baaaa?

He will make an excellent drone.

KC native · 01-08-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Sure we can stop there. That's what you accused me of which is simply false, and explains why I was unaware of the 4 handgun fallacy. You however, ate that tainted grass up, yum yum! Or how does that go Dolly, baaaa, baaaa?

Frazzie only argues with strawmen that he builds. His whole "attack" against me was based on faux news and right wing email forwards caricatures of liberals and not on anything I actually posted.

**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

Frazzie only argues with strawmen that he builds. His whole "attack" against me was based on faux news and right wing email forwards caricatures of liberals and not on anything I actually posted.

A couple of things here - first - the caricatures seem to generally be dead on. I've also noticed that people who endlessly whine about "strawman" arguments are all, without exception, complete ****ing turds. It's seems to roughly translate as "I can't think of anything else to say." Your absolute refusal to believe that our government could never do anything wrong would be laughable if it wasn't insane. I guess if we'd had the internet back in the 60s, you'd have said the Tuskegee syphillis patients were just a bunch of unruly drunks suffering from sun stroke.

I also note, with some degree of irony, my first "attack" was in response to some ridiculously shitty thing you said to Big Daddy, of all people. In retrospect, I probably should waited until you slung shit at somebody who isn't as big a douche as you are.

KC native · 01-08-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

A couple of things here - first - the caricatures seem to generally be dead on. I've also noticed that people who endlessly whine about "strawman" arguments are all, without exception, complete ****ing turds. It's seems to roughly translate as "I can't think of anything else to say." Your absolute refusal to believe that our government could never do anything wrong would be laughable if it wasn't insane. I guess if we'd had the internet back in the 60s, you'd have said the Tuskegee syphillis patients were just a bunch of unruly drunks suffering from sun stroke.

I also note, with some degree of irony, my first "attack" was in response to some ridiculously shitty thing you said to Big Daddy, of all people. In retrospect, I probably should waited until you slung shit at somebody who isn't as big a douche as you are.

No. It's impossible to argue with someone who insists on arguing against things you've never said.

I've never said the government can't and won't do wrong. Don't let that get in your way though skip.

**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

No. It's impossible to argue with someone who insists on arguing against things you've never said.

I've never said the government can't and won't do wrong. Don't let that get in your way though skip.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why you responded to my post where merely said it was possible with this:

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Originally Posted by KC native

You are almost as stupid as CoMo.

Try again, dumbass.

KC native · 01-08-2013, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why you responded to my post where merely said it was possible with this:

Try again, dumbass.

Apparently you need a remedial reading course skip.

**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native

Apparently you need a remedial reading course skip.

There seems to be a lot of that going around, Vailnative.

KChiefer · 01-08-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

He will make an excellent drone.

Comparing me to Data is quite the compliment. Looking like a ferengi/klingon lovechild with the brain of a tribble must be difficult for you. I can't say I feel sorry for you though.

**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefer

Comparing me to Data is quite the compliment. Looking like a ferengi/klingon lovechild with the brain of a tribble must be difficult for you. I can't say I feel sorry for you though.

A smarter person would accurately interpreted that analogy.

Sorry about that.

KChiefer · 01-08-2013, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

A smarter person would accurately interpreted that analogy.

Sorry about that.

Oh snap, was that them talking about making Picard a drone? My mistake, thank you for comparing me to the greatest captain ever!!!

Aries Walker · 01-08-2013, 03:19 PM

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**frazod** · 01-08-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Hi, I . . .

Smartest post in the entire thread.

cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 04:20 PM

Can we just sum this all up by saying that anyone who thinks that "the govt" had anything to do with sending Adam Lanza to shoot to his mom, then to drive to a school to shoot up a first grade class, is a ****ing idiot?

LiveSteam · 01-08-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Can we just sum this all up by saying that anyone who thinks that "the govt" had anything to do with sending Adam Lanza to shoot to his mom, then to drive to a school to shoot up a first grade class, is a ****ing idiot?

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cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 06:09 PM

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Not sure of relevance. I asked a question. I guess you're trolling again.

01-05-2013, 08:26 AM
displacedinMN Starter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $11211	Newtown shooting theory-the government did it. This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get. This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts. Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre By Jana Hollingsworth Duluth News Tribune Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings. In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university. Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact. UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university. Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless. Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama, in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook." Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel." The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment." Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university. "There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability." Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said. But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website. "For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view." "I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous." Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006. He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks. As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us." Last edited by displacedinMN; 01-05-2013 at 08:32 AM..
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