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Old 01-05-2013, 09:26 AM  
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Newtown shooting theory-the government did it.

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.


Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST


A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:12 AM   #196
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That sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation.

So why didn't that dumb**** goon of a cop just say that instead of threatening to arrest anybody who even asked about it?
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:14 AM   #197
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That sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation.

So why didn't that dumb**** goon of a cop just say that instead of threatening to arrest anybody who even asked about it?
Good question. They need a PR agent. Because when they don't fill the void with information, it is the natural tendency of people to speculate or fill in something to make sense.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:20 AM   #198
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Okay so there's missing information being filled in. Now what about the other guy running in the woods?
I don't believe there was another guy. There certainly wasn't on the video. There were reports of another guy, but there were reports of a lot of things that have since been debunked. This whole mess was overloaded with misinformation due to media outlets wanting to be first and releasing unsubstantiated info.

Take a look at the list of BS that's already been accused and debunked: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.co...ing-pressures/
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:23 AM   #199
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I don't believe there was another guy. There certainly wasn't on the video. There were reports of another guy, but there were reports of a lot of things that have since been debunked.
Sorry, ain't buyin' it. I saw the cops chasing a man through the woods on TV soon after the incident. I just said, above, that I asked someone who watched it with me, why the cops are in the woods chasing someone.

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This whole mess was overloaded with misinformation due to media outlets wanting to be first and releasing unsubstantiated info.

Take a look at the list of BS that's already been accused and debunked: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.co...ing-pressures/
I think there is bound to be confusion in the rush to get the news first. But there wasn't any correction with added data on everything.
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That sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation.

So why didn't that dumb**** goon of a cop just say that instead of threatening to arrest anybody who even asked about it?
I can't answer that. Perhaps because he was a dumb****? Or perhaps the cops detained a man who was simply trying to sneak into the scene to get to his child after it was locked down by police, and realized he wasn't involved in the shooting and didn't want an innocent person's name released as being involved in the massacre? Either way, it makes much more sense than a huge government conspiracy to murder civilian children.
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I can't answer that. Perhaps because he was a dumb****? Or perhaps the cops detained a man who was simply trying to sneak into the scene to get to his child after it was locked down by police, and realized he wasn't involved in the shooting and didn't want an innocent person's name released as being involved in the massacre? Either way, it makes much more sense than a huge government conspiracy to murder civilian children.
It most certainly does.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:35 AM   #202
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Sorry, ain't buyin' it. I saw the cops chasing a man through the woods on TV soon after the incident. I just said, above, that I asked someone who watched it with me, why the cops are in the woods chasing someone.



I think there is bound to be confusion in the rush to get the news first. But there wasn't any correction with added data on everything.
Yeah, the media didn't rush to correct their own mistakes. That must be proof of government conspiracy....
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Yeah, the media didn't rush to correct their own mistakes. That must be proof of government conspiracy....
Why are you using a strawman here. I didn't say that.
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I saw the footage of the boy talking about the other guy being cuffed on the ground and I saw on TV a man being chased in the woods. I asked my keeper, why are they chasing someone in the woods if the killer killed himself. Didn't see any of this on Infowars either.
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Does this include the police department threatening to arrest social media for reporting the inconsistencies? I don't recall that happening in the Casey Anthony case.
I did see that and checked it out a bit. It struck me as odd, and possibly a case of the police strong arming the public. Here's a link from NPR stating that the police did this to crack down on hoaxers, trolls and pranksters though:

One such threat caused the evacuation of a church in Newtown during Sunday Mass. Archdiocese spokesman Brian Wallace says a threatening phone call caused officials to evacuate St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church, where many residents have gathered to seek solace from the tragedy.

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I did see that and checked it out a bit. It struck me as odd, and possibly a case of the police strong arming the public. Here's a link from NPR stating that the police did this to crack down on hoaxers, trolls and pranksters though:

One such threat caused the evacuation of a church in Newtown during Sunday Mass. Archdiocese spokesman Brian Wallace says a threatening phone call caused officials to evacuate St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church, where many residents have gathered to seek solace from the tragedy.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...officials-warn
Threatening phone call isn't the same category of thing as just expressing views about the reporting. I mean, what does does expressing opinions about the official story have to do with hoaxers and pranksters? I saw the official Facebook statement and it warned about social media politicizing posts as it would antagonize their base—that it was not the purpose of social media. I happen to agree with that statement BUT....I think families and friends should decide that on their own.
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Threatening phone call isn't the same category of thing as just expressing views about the reporting. I mean, what does does expressing opinions about the official story have to do with hoaxers and pranksters? I saw the official Facebook statement and it warned about social media politicizing posts as it would antagonize their base—that it was not the purpose of social media. I happen to agree with that statement BUT....I think families and friends should decide that on their own.

Yeah, the FaceBook thing was ridiculous. The pic that was posted is just an expression of the idea that there are details to the Sandy Hook incident that sound fishy. The admins of FaceBook are notoriously cowardly and heavy handed. Sure, as you said, they don't intend to create a political platform. But they err on the side of censorship too often in my opinion.
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I don't believe there was another guy. There certainly wasn't on the video. There were reports of another guy, but there were reports of a lot of things that have since been debunked. This whole mess was overloaded with misinformation due to media outlets wanting to be first and releasing unsubstantiated info.

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It was on the video from helicopter cam?!?!
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It was on the video from helicopter cam?!?!
What was? The helicopter cam showed 1 guy getting walked out from the woods and put into a police car. Who has now been identified as Chris Manfredonia, the father of a Sandy Hook student, who attempted to sneak into the school after the shooting was over. There were reports of "2 shadows" at one point, which many inferred to mean 2 additional gunmen. But it was only the one guy, Chris Manfredonia, who they caught in the woods. What else are you seeing in the helicopter cam?
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Some highly-trained spook befriends this kid and convinces him to play along - afterward, the spook escapes, the government controls the media, the crime scene and the kid's computer, initial discrepancies are ignored/forgotten, and dissenting opinions are silenced or dismissed as paranoid fantasy. The only person who could shed light on the kid's behavior, the mom, was the first one killed.
This is pretty much what hezbollah, hamas, al qaeda, taliban et al. do.

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And sincerely I hope to God it isn't true, because if it is.... I don't even want to think about it. But it's not impossible to believe.
I recall about ten years ago having a conversation with somebody about how we could use mental patients, or convicts, and train them to be suicide bombers. And my friend said "that's not what we do". And I was like, "yeah, I hear ya".

But now... not so sure.

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Not only is not impossible, it's probable.
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