Legal Vermont Rep. Maslack Proposes Bill: Register Non Gun Owners And Charge Them $500 Fee

listopencil · 07:36 PM

Vermont to Require NON-Gun Owners to Pay a Fine? http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.c...to-pay-a-fine/

HOW ABOUT VERMONT? … register “non-gun-owners” and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state

Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont ‘s own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register “non-gun-owners” and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

Maslack read the “militia” phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as ‘a clear mandate to do so’. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a “monopoly of force” by the government as well as criminals.

Vermont ‘s constitution states explicitly that “the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State” and those persons who are “conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms” shall be required to “pay such equivalent.” Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to “any situation that may arise.”

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver’s license number with the state. “There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so,” Maslack says. Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.

This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation. ” America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 06:52 PM

I thought this was pretty funny. It's an interesting interpretation of the second amendment, and an oddity of the Vermont constitution that I was unaware of.

Munson · 01-06-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to paying for their defense!

Damn right!

Make them pay their fair share!

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson

Damn right! Make them pay their fair share!

You just know that there has to be a politician somewhere in Texas furiously taking notes right now.

KC native · 01-06-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

You just know that there has to be a politician somewhere in Texas furiously masturbating right now.

fixed

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

fixed

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson

Damn right!

Make them pay their fair share!

Oh shoot, that last paragraph you quoted wasn't mine, it was written into the article. Sorry if I did not make that clear due to poor formatting of the OP.

KC native · 01-06-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not judging.

La literatura · 01-06-2013, 07:18 PM

I'll take a guess that he was/is furious about Obamacare's individual mandate.

notorious · 01-06-2013, 07:27 PM

This isn't going to help the cause. Maybe they are going for the "Combat the absurd by being absurd" angle.

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Literature

I'll take a guess that he was/is furious about Obamacare's individual mandate.

I looked at the site that the article is linked from. I can't actually find the article but there seems to be a lot of Obama hate going on in there. I found a "Jews are Satan worshipers" article and a "the government did Sandy Hook" one too. Pretty wild stuff.

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:33 PM

Awww...I am seeing articles that state that this isn't current news at all.

In fact, Maslack introduced the bill in January 2000, and the proposal quickly died. Maslack has not been a Vermont lawmaker for a decade now.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...n-the-Internet

cosmo20002 · 01-06-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I looked at the site that the article is linked from. I can't actually find the article but there seems to be a lot of Obama hate going on in there. I found a "Jews are Satan worshipers" article and a "the government did Sandy Hook" one too. Pretty wild stuff.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268523

listopencil · 01-06-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268523

Yeah, I saw that. I briefly checked out the thread and came away unimpressed.

KChiefer · 01-06-2013, 07:45 PM

Does arming myself with a slingshot count? I'll even join the vanguard when Canada invades...

01-06-2013, 06:50 PM
listopencil sic semper tyrannis Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: :: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $1081170	URBAN LEGEND/OUTDATED: Vermont Rep. Maslack Proposes Bill: Register Non Gun Owners Vermont to Require NON-Gun Owners to Pay a Fine? http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.c...to-pay-a-fine/ HOW ABOUT VERMONT? … register “non-gun-owners” and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont ‘s own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere. Maslack recently proposed a bill to register “non-gun-owners” and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun. Maslack read the “militia” phrase of the Second Amendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as ‘a clear mandate to do so’. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a “monopoly of force” by the government as well as criminals. Vermont ‘s constitution states explicitly that “the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State” and those persons who are “conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms” shall be required to “pay such equivalent.” Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to “any situation that may arise.” Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver’s license number with the state. “There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so,” Maslack says. Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. It’s currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation. ” America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way. Sounds reasonable to me! Non-gun owners require more police to protect them and this fee should go to paying for their defense! Last edited by listopencil; 01-06-2013 at 07:36 PM.. Reason: It's a repost of an article from years ago
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listopencil sic semper tyrannis Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: :: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $1081170	Awww...I am seeing articles that state that this isn't current news at all. In fact, Maslack introduced the bill in January 2000, and the proposal quickly died. Maslack has not been a Vermont lawmaker for a decade now. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...n-the-Internet __________________ I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.
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