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Old 01-07-2013, 08:55 AM  
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Top DC Candidate

As I mentioned on this site days before any media last week, the top DC candidate for the Chiefs is going to be Monte Kiffin. He would also bring Rod Marinelli as his line coach.

I've been told it's his job to turn down and they think he wants it.

I think Kiffin has evolved some and doesn't run a straight Tampa 2 anymore, but and the personnel is an interesting fit.

Dorsey would be in huge consideration to be re-signed.

Hali, Dorsey, Poe, ?

Houston, ?, DJ - I think DJ would slide into the Derrick Brooks role.

I hated the hire at first, but I'm not completely against it now. I hate the Tampa 2 defense, but I think Kiffin recognizes he can't run that solely with the offenses of today.

Will be interesting. Just thought I'd share.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:25 PM   #406
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Same here. Not excited at all.
I was a little more excited with the under tech thoughts, but overall, meh.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:26 PM   #407
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MOST years there's some debate about the top guys in the draft. What happened last year is RARE.

and even when consensus happens, it can be wrong - see Alex Smith/Aaron Rodgers.
2005 was weird. Rodgers was shunned due to Tedford. Smith was lauded in Urban Meyer's spread, in which no QB since has had any NFL success.

I honestly believe that had it not been for three years of film study and coaching from Mike McCarthy, Rodgers wouldn't have had nearly the success.

On the converse, Smith hasn't had the benefit of excellent coaching, year after year, until Harbaugh. And then Harbaugh dumped him.

The debate in 2004 wasn't even a debate: Two out of Three have won Super Bowls and Rivers is far from done.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:26 PM   #408
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I was a little more excited with the under tech thoughts, but overall, meh.
If he comes that's what I would sell myself on, but I am not comfortable with that. I prefer a 34, and I certainly prefer not playing a Tampa 2.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:31 PM   #409
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Bill Polian was certain when he drafted Jim Kelly, Kerry Collins and Peyton Manning. Ernie Accorsi was certain when he traded for Eli Manning.

Ryan Grigson was certain when he took Andrew Luck. Shanahan and Allen were certain when they took RGIII.

I think a guy like Andy Reid has a better sense than someone like Romeo Crennel, which is why Clark Hunt went so hard after Reid.

If Reid isn't absolutely certain, I don't think he'd take a guy, just to take a guy.
bill polian did not draft jim kelly.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:38 PM   #410
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I don't buy that, at all.

These guys have been scouted since grade school. There are so many quarterback camps held each year in addition to film from high school to college. Psych evaluations have improved over the past decade, as have background checks.

If there's a consensus, it's almost certain that a guy chosen in 2013 will find success in the NFL.
There are pros and cons with anything in life. Prospects are no different. That's where the debates always come in when evaluating and assessing prospects. It's rare to have a superb, polished prospect. Happens very very seldomly. It doesn't matter if you are the #1 overall pick in the draft to the last pick. Regardless, there is always going to be some level of uncertainty somehwere along the lines.

Success is NEVER a certainty. The college game is different from the pros. There is always that transition factor involved that A LOT of prospects struggle with. The consensus cannot determine how prospects will adjust from the college to NFL game. Unfortunately, some guys don't make it because they struggle with the transition aspect of things.

Then there is always player development. What if the player drafted is a well polished prospect but then is thrown into an environment surrounded by horrible coaching and poor team management? For some prospects that is a determining factor of whether or not they will succeed or fail.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:41 PM   #411
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Bill Polian was certain when he drafted Jim Kelly, Kerry Collins and Peyton Manning. Ernie Accorsi was certain when he traded for Eli Manning.

Ryan Grigson was certain when he took Andrew Luck. Shanahan and Allen were certain when they took RGIII.

I think a guy like Andy Reid has a better sense than someone like Romeo Crennel, which is why Clark Hunt went so hard after Reid.

If Reid isn't absolutely certain, I don't think he'd take a guy, just to take a guy.
Bill Poilan was not certain when he took Peyton Manning.

He and his staff debated Manning and Leaf until the last minute, and Poilan still worried that he didn't make the right choice.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:44 PM   #412
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Bill Poilan was not certain when he took Peyton Manning.

He and his staff debated Manning and Leaf until the last minute, and Poilan still worried that he didn't make the right choice.
Then I'm damn glad he wasn't hired by Clark.

There were many psychologists who interviewed Leaf that felt he was capable of imploding at any moment.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:47 PM   #413
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bill polian did not draft jim kelly.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:49 PM   #414
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Then I'm damn glad he was hired by Clark.

There were many psychologists who interviewed Leaf that felt he was capable of imploding at any moment.
I familiar with that, and the evals were the tipping point.

Bobby Beathard hired a psychologist to follow up on those interviews, and that psychologist told Beathard that he would not draft Leaf in any round.

Beathard obviously ignored the recommendation.
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:52 PM   #415
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I familiar with that, and the evals were the tipping point.

Bobby Beathard hired a psychologist to follow up on those interviews, and that psychologist told Beathard that he would not draft Leaf in any round.

Beathard obviously ignored the recommendation.
I honestly believe that Beathard knew he was on his last legs as a GM and therefore, made a bold move.

I mean, who trades away a first round pick to draft Mikhael Ricks in the second, just after selecting Leaf?
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #416
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I honestly believe that Beathard knew he was on his last legs as a GM and therefore, made a bold move.

I mean, who trades away a first round pick to draft Mikhael Ricks in the second, just after selecting Leaf?
Or Bryan Still. Or Jermaine Fazine.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:09 PM   #417
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If he comes that's what I would sell myself on, but I am not comfortable with that. I prefer a 34, and I certainly prefer not playing a Tampa 2.
May God protect us from the damnedable Tampa 2.

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Old 01-07-2013, 11:11 PM   #418
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They went back and forth on it for months, but by the end Polian knew he was taking Manning. But for a pick like that you should be thorough. Leaf was probably right with Peyton at first but messed it up. He missed his interview with the Colts at the combine. Manning showed up and grilled Polian for two hours about what offense they wanted to run. Then at their workouts, Leaf was out of shape. The scouts liked Leaf. The coaches... Mora, Tom Moore, Arians, etc. all liked Peyton.
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Then I'm damn glad he wasn't hired by Clark.

There were many psychologists who interviewed Leaf that felt he was capable of imploding at any moment.
That's what his MMPI said about him and then I saw an interview with Mora years later and he stated their decision came down to the MMPI psych test results.
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