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Old 01-07-2013, 05:52 PM  
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So, how do you guys react if the Walrus waits to pick a QB until later rounds

How many of you who think Clark hired the right guy will be spitting nails if the Walrus waits until round 2-3 to draft a QB? How many will be shouting you stupid M -F? How many will want his head on a stick?
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:42 PM   #46
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Reid is not a dumb mother ****er like Pioli so I know I don't have to worry about that happening.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:42 PM   #47
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Also, Reid hasn't had recent success with middle round picks necessarily.

Kevin Kolb sucks.

Nick Foles sucks even more.

Best way to ensure not getting one of those two? Go FIRST ROUND with your QB. Take the best guy.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:43 PM   #48
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I would rather have Reid and a second rounder. Than Pioli, RGIII and revolving third rate HCs and OCs.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:50 PM   #49
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First year in Green Bay, they traded a first for Brett Favre. His first year in Philadelphia, they drafted Donovan McNabb 2nd overall. I think they are drafting a quarterback.
You silly bitch, how dare you make sense.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:51 PM   #50
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Also, Reid hasn't had recent success with middle round picks necessarily.

Kevin Kolb sucks.

Nick Foles sucks even more.

Best way to ensure not getting one of those two? Go FIRST ROUND with your QB. Take the best guy.
If Kolb weren't made of obsidian he'd be a middle of the road qb at worst.
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You don't have a goddamn chance over the next two years with Manning at the helm, so build your ****ing team to be a ****ing dynasty when he retires. Instead, you're going to spend the two most valuable picks in franchise history on a RT and a game manager QB.

Awesome.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:52 PM   #51
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I will doctor potatoes to look like hand grenades and then throw them at his office if he does not select a quarterback with the first pick.

This assumes of course that all of the elite prospects don't have accidents with antifreeze, aids trees, Jovan Belcher, or other natural hazards between now and the draft.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:52 PM   #52
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If Reid waits until the 2nd or 3rd, that guy better start immediately and succeed soon after.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:57 PM   #53
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you mean if we do what we've been doing for 30 years?

i'll be thrilled like all true fans
You can find franchise QBs in the lower rounds....Montana, Brady, Russell Wilson.
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Old 01-07-2013, 07:06 PM   #54
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You can find franchise QBs in the lower rounds....Montana, Brady, Russell Wilson.
Russel Wilson remains to be seen if he is a true franchise QB. Montana and Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Brady was pure fluke, as far as where he was drafted to what he became.

The rule is that franchise QBs come in the first round, most in the top side of rd1 if not #1 overall.

Sure there are misses.

This is from 2009 but it still illustrates my point. In fact you could argue since 09 the balance is skewed more to QB favor...

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftqu...ckriskmyth.php

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Quarterbacks:

There were 29 quarterbacks selected in the top 16 of the NFL Draft since 1993...

Hits: 13
Busts: 12
OK: 2
TBA: 2

Defensive Tackles:

There were 33 defensive tackles selected in the top 16 of the NFL Draft since 1993...

Hits: 15
Busts: 15
OK: 2
TBA: 1

Now, let's look at the hit and bust rates for each position:

Quarterback Hit Rate: 48.2%
Defensive Tackle Hit Rate: 46.9%

Quarterback Bust Rate: 44.4%
Defensive Tackle Bust Rate: 46.9%
So what does this really show? Its a close hit/bust rate on QBs? Yes. But pay attention. 50% Hit rate, thats a good QB. You have a 50% shot at a franchise guy. TAKE IT. Don't be stupid Clark! Quit being a pussy and go for the gold~


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It's a small sample size, but the disparity is even larger in the top five. In that area, only one defensive tackle has panned out of five opportunities, whereas five of 10 quarterbacks have been "hits," and only four of 10 quarterbacks have been busts.

Considering how important the quarterback is in relation to the defensive tackle, if a team is deciding between the two positions, the "risk" factor should not sway them away from taking a signal-caller. In fact, it's actually riskier to take a defensive tackle.


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One more thing - I wanted to see how these two positions translated into winning and losing on the football field. I took all of the "hit" players listed in the two tables, and looked up how their initial franchise fared while they were on the roster:

Hit Quarterback Original Team Record: 828-593 (.583)
Hit Quarterback Average Years on Original Team: 6.9
Hit Quarterback Average Playoff Years on Original Team: 3.8

Hit Defensive Tackle Original Team Record: 966-745 (.565)
Hit Defensive Tackle Average Years on Original Team: 6.4
Hit Defensive Tackle Average Playoff Years on Original Team: 3.1

No one should be shocked that teams with hit quarterbacks were more successful than teams with hit defensive tackles. I actually thought there would be more of a disparity until I realized that the numbers are skewed; after all, did the Patriots win three Super Bowls because of Richard Seymour and Ty Warren (two of the hit defensive tackles that affected these numbers), or because of Tom Brady? Brady is the correct answer just in case you have Bucky Brooks Syndrome and inexplicably hate quarterbacks.

At any rate, I'm going to look into the hit and bust rates of the other positions soon. But with all of these facts and numbers in mind, hopefully the notion of taking a quarterback won't be seen as risky too much longer. In fact, the real risk is passing up on a franchise quarterback.

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Old 01-07-2013, 07:07 PM   #55
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Old 01-07-2013, 07:10 PM   #57
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Russel Wilson remains to be seen if he is a true franchise QB. Montana and Brady are the exceptions, not the rule. Brady was pure fluke, as far as where he was drafted to what he became.

The rule is that franchise QBs come in the first round, most in the top side of rd1 if not #1 overall.

Sure there are misses.

This is from 2009 but it still illustrates my point. In fact you could argue since 09 the balance is skewed more to QB favor...

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftqu...ckriskmyth.php



So what does this really show? Its a close hit/bust rate on QBs? Yes. But pay attention. 50% Hit rate, thats a good QB. You have a 50% shot at a franchise guy. TAKE IT. Don't be stupid Clark! Quit being a pussy and go for the gold~


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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Who is the BAA?
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