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Old 01-08-2013, 12:17 PM  
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Texas A&M LT Joeckel is coming out for draft

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Texas A&M LT Luke Joeckel is skipping his SR yr to enter NFL draft, per source as initially reported by @billyliucci
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:35 PM   #121
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #122
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lol.. Really? If its such horseshit, how does Colin Klein make it as a Heisman finalist and your God Geno doesn't?

This QB class is SO good that a Freshman QB won just about every major QB award.


Lets forget about the fact that we could potentially lose Brandon Albert and Dwayne Bowe, giving us 2 major holes to fill. Not to mention that we have NOTHING on the other side of Brandon Flowers.

MEDIOCRE college QB or BUST!!!
Good to see you posting tyton75, it has been a while.

What does the Heisman have to do with anything, anything at all? The Heisman is about winning College games, no matter how, not about who is the best pro prospect.

This team needs a QB with the God given talent that can be developed into an NFL franchise Qb, and it has been a very long time since one has worn a Chiefs uniform.

Pocket presence, pocket awareness, arm strength, intelligence, leadership, timing, size etc. in one player.

They have the first pick, and they need to pick the guy that most fits that criteria, and most on here think it is Geno Smith. I personally haven't watched enough of his play to have an accurate opinion on him, but I value the opinion of some of the dedicated College followers on her.

Bottom line, this team is out of time when it comes to getting a Qb to develop and they need to just do it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #123
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Look at the remaining teams in the playoffs. The majority of the teams are built around a QB not a LT.
Who in the playoffs is built around an OT not a QB?

Ravens? No
Broncos? No
Patriots? No
Texans? No
Seahawks? No
Falcons? No
Packers? No
SF? No

Now, what is the ONLY thing holding back some of these teams from being Super Bowl favorites?

Ding Ding Ding! Quarterback play. Take the goddamn QB (Not ranting at you specifically Turkey)
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:50 PM   #124
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Oh, I know the record of Heismans not projecting to the NFL. My point was that its basically turning into the best QB in the country award, and the top guys for the draft weren't in the conversation.

When McNabb was selected by Philly, he was a finalist. Just making some comparisons that worry me.
Really? Who came in second in the Heisman voting this year? Not a Qb.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:51 PM   #125
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Good to see you posting tyton75, it has been a while.

What does the Heisman have to do with anything, anything at all? The Heisman is about winning College games, no matter how, not about who is the best pro prospect.

This team needs a QB with the God given talent that can be developed into an NFL franchise Qb, and it has been a very long time since one has worn a Chiefs uniform.

Pocket presence, pocket awareness, arm strength, intelligence, leadership, timing, size etc. in one player.

They have the first pick, and they need to pick the guy that most fits that criteria, and most on here think it is Geno Smith. I personally haven't watched enough of his play to have an accurate opinion on him, but I value the opinion of some of the dedicated College followers on her.

Bottom line, this team is out of time when it comes to getting a Qb to develop and they need to just do it.

I'm completely with you, the worry I have is that the best QB available isn't a franchise type QB(and I hope I'm wrong) but I just don't want them getting tunnel vision on one guy simply because he has QB in front of his name on the roster.

Hell, I would like us to take 2 QB's in the draft if the talent is there. If this kid is as good as I have heard, then it might be a worthwhile pick and then take QB with 2nd and 3rd round. And Obviously, I could be completely wrong too.

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Old 01-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #126
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I'm completely with you, the worry I have is that the best QB available isn't a franchise type QB(and I hope I'm wrong) but I just don't want them getting tunnel vision on one guy simply because he has QB in front of his name on the roster.

Hell, I would like us to take 2 QB's in the draft if the talent is there. If this kid is as good as I have heard, then it might be a worthwhile pick and then take QB with 2nd and 3rd round. And Obviously, I could be completely wrong too.

You are missing the point. You can't just write it off and say "simply because he has QB.." like that is some kind of non important factor. Our position of most desperate need is QB. The fact that we have the number one pick and our choice of the litter dictates we identify who we want and take him. Don't screw around! And yes, it IS because they have the Q and B in front of their name that we take whoever it turns out to be.

There will always be a worry as to whether a QB is a potential franchise guy. Outside of last year there has never been such little worry to that effect.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #127
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Who in the playoffs is built around an OT not a QB?

Ravens? No
Broncos? No
Patriots? No
Texans? No
Seahawks? No
Falcons? No
Packers? No
SF? No

Now, what is the ONLY thing holding back some of these teams from being Super Bowl favorites?

Ding Ding Ding! Quarterback play. Take the goddamn QB (Not ranting at you specifically Turkey)
Yep.. The texans and the 49ers are not built around the QB but in turn the QB position is the thing holding those two teams back
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:59 PM   #128
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I'm completely with you, the worry I have is that the best QB available isn't a franchise type QB(and I hope I'm wrong) but I just don't want them getting tunnel vision on one guy simply because he has QB in front of his name on the roster.

Hell, I would like us to take 2 QB's in the draft if the talent is there. If this kid is as good as I have heard, then it might be a worthwhile pick and then take QB with 2nd and 3rd round. And Obviously, I could be completely wrong too.

See, that is where we disagree. I want them to draft a QB #1 this year no matter what. Then if it fails, do it again until they get one that can get them where they want to go.

Just look at the recent extremely high picks, #3 overall TJ, most would prefer to let him walk. #5 overall, Glen Dorsey, pretty much the same story, he hasn't fit.

To take two in the draft is a head scratcher for me, but it is a thought, the Skins were so committed that they did it.

Heck the Chiefs have one on the roster now that hasn't taken a regular season snap in three years on the team. Too many coaches worried more about their job more than the team.
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:09 PM   #129
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I'm completely with you, the worry I have is that the best QB available isn't a franchise type QB(and I hope I'm wrong) but I just don't want them getting tunnel vision on one guy simply because he has QB in front of his name on the roster.

Hell, I would like us to take 2 QB's in the draft if the talent is there. If this kid is as good as I have heard, then it might be a worthwhile pick and then take QB with 2nd and 3rd round. And Obviously, I could be completely wrong too.

Instead of spending time arguing here and "hoping you are wrong", just go out to Youtube and you can pretty much watch all the games from the QB's in this draft.

For Geno Smith, you can watch every game this season, cut up into only his passing attempts... even the incompletions.

For Tyler Wilson there is plenty of film from 2011,2012 to see how much potential he has.

Plenty of video on Barkley as well.


Judge for yourself and quit listening to others.
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:16 PM   #130
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:19 PM   #131
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Who in the playoffs is built around an OT not a QB?

Ravens? No
Broncos? No
Patriots? No
Texans? No
Seahawks? No
Falcons? No
Packers? No
SF? No

Now, what is the ONLY thing holding back some of these teams from being Super Bowl favorites?

Ding Ding Ding! Quarterback play. Take the goddamn QB (Not ranting at you specifically Turkey)
Sorry, this is a lame argument. Every one of those teams have a first round left tackle, with Denver and Seattle spending the #5 and #6 overall. They also had the LT in place before they found their QB.

Atlanta moved into the first round for Sam Baker the same year they took Ryan, the Ravens drafted Oher one year after Flacco (with mixed results) and the Packers and Patriots have spent first rounders in the past two years on LT's.

The reality is that BOTH positions are extremely important. Fortunately, the Chiefs have Albert and don't need both an LT and QB.
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:20 PM   #133
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Instead of spending time arguing here and "hoping you are wrong", just go out to Youtube and you can pretty much watch all the games from the QB's in this draft.

For Geno Smith, you can watch every game this season, cut up into only his passing attempts... even the incompletions.

For Tyler Wilson there is plenty of film from 2011,2012 to see how much potential he has.

Plenty of video on Barkley as well.


Judge for yourself and quit listening to others.
This is a great suggestion. I did this on Geno, Wilson, Barkley and Glennon.

It has placed me solidly in the Geno camp.
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Instead of spending time arguing here and "hoping you are wrong", just go out to Youtube and you can pretty much watch all the games from the QB's in this draft.

For Geno Smith, you can watch every game this season, cut up into only his passing attempts... even the incompletions.

For Tyler Wilson there is plenty of film from 2011,2012 to see how much potential he has.

Plenty of video on Barkley as well.


Judge for yourself and quit listening to others.
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