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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

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For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:27 AM   #166
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Luke will be taken number 1.

But not by the Chiefs.
So we are trading down? With whom?
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:29 AM   #167
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Geno Smith has GOT to wow everyone in the coming months.

It must happen. I want the Chiefs to believe that he is the consensus #1 pick.
Not playing in the senior bowl or throwing anywhere but at a private workout as I have read elsewhere wouldn't seem to support this line of thinking.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:31 AM   #168
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Luke will be taken number 1.

But not by the Chiefs.
You didn't read the OP did you?

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Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.
Now, not sure why the Chiefs couldn't swing a draft-day trade... but apparently the other 4 teams can.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:41 AM   #169
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It would almost be worth it to get rid of some of you drama queens.

How many times recently have you said "I'll be done"? How many times have you actually been done?
as you seem to care, you should be able to answer that question

enlighten us all
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:43 AM   #170
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If they even trot Cassel out there to compete for the QB spot, the honeymoon will be over for Reid and the rest of the new regime before they even hit the sheets.

Not a wise idea.
That's why they won't do it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:45 AM   #171
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as you seem to care, you should be able to answer that question

enlighten us all
He's just pissed off because we won't let him be in the cool kids club.
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It would almost be worth it to get rid of some of you drama queens.

How many times recently have you said "I'll be done"? How many times have you actually been done?
I know you're unfamiliar with how the world works, but try to listen carefully.

We say, "I'm done if _______" where _______ is a thing that has to happen for us to be done.

I and many others have thus far only said "I'm leaving this team if ***** is still here."

***** is not here.

Therefore, I have not left the team.

Do you understand now? So now I can say "I'm leaving if the Chiefs draft a tackle at #1 overall"

Let's see if they draft a tackle at #1 overall.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:49 AM   #173
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He's just pissed off because we won't let him be in the cool kids club.
meh..i'm glad people cry when they read my posts

i've been pretty consistent...get rid of pioli, draft a QB

in the absence of either, I'm finding something else to waste my life on...i don't give a fat **** who the coach is
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:53 AM   #174
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Nobody is going to trade up to the number 1 pick for Joekel, especially since Taylor Lewan has looked outstanding and could be just as good.

Nobody is going to give a shit load up for Joekel. He's good, but you trade up to number 1 overall for generational talents.

I guarantee you we won't trade out of 1.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:57 AM   #175
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Not playing in the senior bowl or throwing anywhere but at a private workout as I have read elsewhere wouldn't seem to support this line of thinking.
Not playing in the Senior Bowl and not throwing anywhere but private workouts for teams indicates to me, that Smith's agent/advisors are hearing he doesn't NEED to do that to raise his stock.

Either:
1) His agent/advisors are off base and making a big mistake
2) His agent/advisors know something the average "Expert" doesn't when it comes to Geno's stock amongst NFL scouting departments and teams.

I'd put my money on option 2.
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These writers are playing the percentages. They know that the Chiefs hate to draft QBs. In 30 years the Chiefs haven't drafted one in the first round so that is what they are predicting will happen again. Reid will take a QB in round one because he knows there isn't one on the team now.
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Not playing in the Senior Bowl and not throwing anywhere but private workouts for teams indicates to me, that Smith's agent/advisors are hearing he doesn't NEED to do that to raise his stock.

Either:
1) His agent/advisors are off base and making a big mistake
2) His agent/advisors know something the average "Expert" doesn't when it comes to Geno's stock amongst NFL scouting departments and teams.

I'd put my money on option 2.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:16 AM   #178
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Nobody is going to trade up to the number 1 pick for Joekel, especially since Taylor Lewan has looked outstanding and could be just as good.

Nobody is going to give a shit load up for Joekel. He's good, but you trade up to number 1 overall for generational talents.

I guarantee you we won't trade out of 1.
Wait, wait.... are you saying that:

1) Luke Joeckel IS NOT a generational talent at his position (similar to Andrew Luck or Orlando Pace or Jon Ogden)

2) There are other Ts in the draft who are almost as good, and better in some people's eyes, than Joeckel?

Aren't those the reasons it is "dumb" to take a QB at No. 1? Or at least the most commonly cited reason it is a reach?
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These writers are playing the percentages. They know that the Chiefs hate to draft QBs. In 30 years the Chiefs haven't drafted one in the first round so that is what they are predicting will happen again. Reid will take a QB in round one because he knows there isn't one on the team now.
Also... Smith selected a smaller, lesser known and less powerful agent/group to represent him. If he had signed with, say, CAA, and had Tom Condon representing him...

I would bet everything that the talking heads would be pushing Geno Smith at No. 1 like crazy.

The early draft hype is all about how well and how much the agent pulls the "big-name" media guys' strings.
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2) His agent/advisors know something the average "Expert" doesn't when it comes to Geno's stock amongst NFL scouting departments and teams.
The hype is better than the product...
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