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Old 01-08-2013, 07:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

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For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:28 AM   #181
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If teams around the league thought that, Smith would be out trying to prove it is wrong.

Players who have perception problems don't sit around and wait for teams to come to them. Players whose stock is at a peak or near-peak are the ones who do that...
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:39 AM   #182
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If teams around the league thought that, Smith would be out trying to prove it is wrong.

Players who have perception problems don't sit around and wait for teams to come to them.
That's exactly what they do...
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:47 AM   #183
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These writers are playing the percentages. They know that the Chiefs hate to draft QBs. In 30 years the Chiefs haven't drafted one in the first round so that is what they are predicting will happen again. Reid will take a QB in round one because he knows there isn't one on the team now.
Right now they're trolling... When it comes right down to it the choice of Geno may not be the traditional #1 pick based on talent alone, but there is a glaring need that most of these guys are just discounting too much IMO.

If you swing and whiff we'll see pretty soon and we can take a QB in another draft. It's not like the past where missing at #1 crippled your franchise. But I don't see why we don't invest in Branden Albert (no need at LT then), we have Poe/Powe at DT (the only other position I've really heard promoted by the "experts"), and there's no way you burn the #1 on an ILB who just got handily outplayed. You take a QB, knowing if everything falls apart you do it again next season and you're set at back-up.

The only caveat is if you can out-maneuver other teams and take him later for more picks. This is why Reid's statements about maybe not taking a QB don't bother me at all at this point. If we can get someone else in the top 5 who isn't the Raiders to deal then you deal...but unfortunately I could see Jax take him at #2 so the "out-maneuver" option probably doesn't exist unless you're willing to settle for another QB and you're willing to let the draft order tell you who that QB will be.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:50 AM   #184
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If teams around the league thought that, Smith would be out trying to prove it is wrong.

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Old 01-09-2013, 11:23 AM   #185
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Nobody trades up to #1 for a LT, lol.
Enough hype, and anything can happen. LT Jake Long (whom I wanted for us at the time) appeared to be one we could pick at 5. But he went at 1.

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IF anyone trades into #1 this year, it will be for Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson.
Geno maybe, because of the hype. Wilson, no, because stat-wise he just hasn't had that type of a year.

My personal opinion is someone will get a possible gem in Wilson late in the 1st or early in the 2nd because on paper he had a subpar senior year. Ala Marino.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:28 AM   #186
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I think Andy Reid has Geno locked in, but would move the pick for the right price.

Before we hired Andy, I was adamant about not trading down...but if the guy adds a couple extra firsts and still comes out of the draft with Barkley, Geno, Wilson or Bray...I'd be ok with it.

I trust Andy Reids evaluation.
I like Bray's talent VERY MUCH. But I had written him off because of his off field stuff. I wonder if Any is the type of coach who could put him in the right path to develop. If he is, I'd be very willing to put Bray at the top of my QB wish list in a trade down.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:31 AM   #187
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If teams around the league thought that, Smith would be out trying to prove it is wrong.

Players who have perception problems don't sit around and wait for teams to come to them. Players whose stock is at a peak or near-peak are the ones who do that...
Exactly.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:33 AM   #188
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Couldn't possibly have anything to do with having McNabb on his team for 10 seasons
No shit. He's also been known to take over a team and immediately draft the best QB available.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:36 AM   #189
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I like Bray's talent VERY MUCH. But I had written him off because of his off field stuff. I wonder if Any is the type of coach who could put him in the right path to develop. If he is, I'd be very willing to put Bray at the top of my QB wish list in a trade down.
What are Bray's off the field issues?
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:37 AM   #190
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What are Bray's off the field issues?
He's an immature idiot.

Everything about him screams Ryan Leaf...
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:37 AM   #191
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If we do select any position other than a QB then we need to be prepared to trade back into the 1st round and select the QB we want.

1st round (1st pk) - ???
1st round(15th pk) - Tyler Wilson
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:39 AM   #192
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If somebody is trading up, it's for a QB.

Trading down is just asking to end up empty-handed. Forget it.
Actually, IMO, for a team like the Chiefs a good trade down should seriously be considered in any draft. Unless of course there is an Andrew Luck sitting there.

Desperation drafting is actually "asking to end up empty-handed", IMO.
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If we do select any position other than a QB then we need to be prepared to trade back into the 1st round and select the QB we want.

1st round (1st pk) - ???
1st round(15th pk) - Tyler Wilson
I just don't see Tyler Wilson lasting that long after workouts and he shows off that arm.

Not with this many teams needing QB.

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I just don't see Tyler Wilson lasting that long after workouts and he shows off that arm.

Not with this many teams needing QB.

US, Jax, Oak, Buff, Arizona.
And after that there are about 12 teams that don't need one...
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:42 AM   #195
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I'm with ya...I'm just saying I wouldn't be pissed if he went that direction.

What if he grades 3 quarterbacks evenly and can add 2 extra firsts moving to 4 or 5?...he would still get one of them.
You just beat me to this answer. Exactly the way I look at it too.
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