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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:50 AM   #676
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He struggled in a few games and was historically awesome in others.

I am supremely confident that Andy Reid can take Geno Smith and make a full blown star out of him in the NFL.
I hope you are right if we take him. But it just seems the games in which he struggled were big games. I'm not gonna go back and check all of his game stats, but it just seems that way. And if that perception is right and cannot be corrected we will have a QB who will at best take us to annual frustration of 9-7 and one and done in the playoffs, without a chance to ever draft the one who can lead us further. I just wanna make sure how his mental make up is before I'm happy to take him. I think those Mooch/Chuckie little interviews with the QBs at the combine is a great insight into that.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:54 AM   #677
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If Smith is anywhere near the 93.0 ranking given by NFL.com (I dislike the guy critiquing, but whatever), there's no way that the Andy Reid passes.
I agree with THAT.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:56 AM   #678
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In terms of the CONTEXT of the conversation, it absolutely matters "who started it".

The "Geno is God" stuff didn't start until after the conversation was overrun with trolls. The conversation prior was FAR more objective but arguing with stupidity gets redundant and fruitless after a while. It's much easier to fight fire with fire - the "Geno is God" stuff was a last resort, not a first.



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Justify? No. It's an explanation. I'm providing context.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:17 AM   #679
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how is alberts back .. thats a big issue .....
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:20 AM   #680
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I hope you are right if we take him. But it just seems the games in which he struggled were big games. I'm not gonna go back and check all of his game stats, but it just seems that way. And if that perception is right and cannot be corrected we will have a QB who will at best take us to annual frustration of 9-7 and one and done in the playoffs, without a chance to ever draft the one who can lead us further. I just wanna make sure how his mental make up is before I'm happy to take him. I think those Mooch/Chuckie little interviews with the QBs at the combine is a great insight into that.
In truth he's a good college QB .. now can he play NFL ball .. I don't think he can ..
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:28 AM   #681
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I hope you are right if we take him. But it just seems the games in which he struggled were big games. I'm not gonna go back and check all of his game stats, but it just seems that way.
Texas on the road in 2012.

Oklahoma on the road in 2012.

LSU on the road in 2011.

The 2012 Orange Bowl.

And you keep bringing up the Pinstipe Bowl suggesting that Geno shit the bed in that one without having the objectivity or insight to understand what went on in that game.

There were two highly ranked quarterbacks in that game. One was going against a top 10 Defense in Tackles For Loss team, the other was going against the 123rd ranked Pass Defense.

I think it's a great comparison of two QB's who've actually been mentioned as a potential #1 overall pick in the same weather conditions. (And yeah, someone recently mentioned Nassib as the guy the Chiefs will take #1.)

Here's the whole game so you can do your eval:



I'm curious to get your opinion on the two QB's in this specific game, especially since you've stated that Geno "struggling" in this game has adversely affected your opinion of him in terms of a potential pick for the Chiefs. (You yourself said you would "hold your nose" at the pick.)
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:51 AM   #682
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I hope you are right if we take him. But it just seems the games in which he struggled were big games. I'm not gonna go back and check all of his game stats, but it just seems that way. And if that perception is right and cannot be corrected we will have a QB who will at best take us to annual frustration of 9-7 and one and done in the playoffs, without a chance to ever draft the one who can lead us further. I just wanna make sure how his mental make up is before I'm happy to take him. I think those Mooch/Chuckie little interviews with the QBs at the combine is a great insight into that.
So, let's get this right...

You are whining about the "Geno supporters" going overboard defending him, but you state that you haven't checked stats, don't care to, probably haven't watched the games (because if you did, you'd see Geno making big throw after big throw into tight windows in an effort to keep his team in the game while not putting the ball into the defenses hands) and are just going off your minimalistic "perception?"

And you want to know why some of us get pissed about somebody knocking Geno? Especially when all they are going on is their minimalistic "perception" after not looking at anything?

Yeah...okay.

Frankie: "I don't like him because (insert some subjective, idiotic reason that doesn't correlate to his on-the-field performance over the past three years) and that's the basis for my post."

And you want to bitch about guys supporting Geno as the #1 pick when they put up stat after stat, game highlights after game highlights, positive draft profile after positive draft profile?

A little disengenuous, don't you think?
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:53 AM   #683
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In truth he's a good college QB .. now can he play NFL ball .. I don't think he can ..
what makes you feel that way?
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:10 AM   #686
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Yet they are still ****ing "HIGHLIGHTS" and feature the best moments of a QB. Usually put to an aggressive upbeat music to get "some folks" to masturbate to a QB who may not be ALL THAT.

Just sayin'.
Its been stated, but the videos that say geno smith vs " ". Are not highlight videos. They are every snap in the game. Now if you consider them highlight videos then you know who you should root for in the draft...
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:17 AM   #687
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:25 AM   #688
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How bout " I've never played QB, nor have I ever been part of a player evaluating staff, yet I'm gonna be upset if the Kansas City Chiefs, led by one of the better scouting people in the NFL, don't pick my guy"

Always amuses me.
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How bout " I've never played QB, nor have I ever been part of a player evaluating staff, yet I'm gonna be upset if the Kansas City Chiefs, led by one of the better scouting people in the NFL, don't pick my guy"

Always amuses me.
Doesn't quite translate because this is a fallacious appeal to authority. Under the same pretense, we never should have questioned the "Executive of the Decade."

Opinions backed by logic and reason are one of the key drivers of this site and, unquestionably, helped depose the previous band of dipshits at 1 Arrowhead.
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How bout " I've never played QB, nor have I ever been part of a player evaluating staff, yet I'm gonna be upset if the Kansas City Chiefs, led by one of the better scouting people in the NFL, don't pick my guy"

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i felt the same way prior to the great **** up that was pioli
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