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Old 01-08-2013, 06:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:52 AM   #691
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Hey, the majority of people in the NFL, Kansas City, the pundits, etc, all thought Clark hit a home run with that one. Everyone makes mistakes. It'd be like my patients questioning the dental materials I use and calling me a dumbass if I don't use some brand they like. Or calling your mechanic a dipshit because they use a brand of lubricant you aren't familiar with. Let the experts be the experts. If it blows up in their face, then be critical of them for it (ala Pioli).
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:56 AM   #692
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Doesn't quite translate because this is a fallacious appeal to authority. Under the same pretense, we never should have questioned the "Executive of the Decade."

Opinions backed by logic and reason are one of the key drivers of this site and, unquestionably, helped depose the previous band of dipshits at 1 Arrowhead.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:09 PM   #693
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Hey, the majority of people in the NFL, Kansas City, the pundits, etc, all thought Clark hit a home run with that one. Everyone makes mistakes. It'd be like my patients questioning the dental materials I use and calling me a dumbass if I don't use some brand they like. Or calling your mechanic a dipshit because they use a brand of lubricant you aren't familiar with. Let the experts be the experts. If it blows up in their face, then be critical of them for it (ala *****).
Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

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Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:12 PM   #694
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In other words, if you performed root canals at the same success rate that the BEST talent evaluators in the league hit on draft picks, the ADA would string you up by your testicles and have you publicly flogged.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:16 PM   #695
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I'm 100% with you Tooge, and I weren't in Texas you would be my dentist
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:26 PM   #697
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Hey, the majority of people in the NFL, Kansas City, the pundits, etc, all thought Clark hit a home run with that one. Everyone makes mistakes. It'd be like my patients questioning the dental materials I use and calling me a dumbass if I don't use some brand they like. Or calling your mechanic a dipshit because they use a brand of lubricant you aren't familiar with. Let the experts be the experts. If it blows up in their face, then be critical of them for it (ala *****).
Even the "experts" are wrong all the time. Or learning something new all the time.

And, like everyone else, the "experts" are also people who can be affected by bias from a number of different areas/people/factors. Personal subjectivity will lead an "expert" into some of the dumbest shit ever.

And with the NFL draft, there are things that no one can predict - the human "heart;" the inner working of the mind and the desire that only comes with experiencing something and embracing it; the passion, etc.

There is no way that even the scheduled meetings at the combine or interviews with Gruden on ESPN are going to determine these things. If they did, Tom Brady would have been the #1 pick. London Fletcher would have been a top five pick. Randall McDaniel a top five pick. Jared Allen a top five pick, so on and so forth.

The "experts" are guys who are doing a job. Maybe they suck at it like your co-worker or a dude you know who's also been doing their job for 10+ years. Maybe they are good.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:29 PM   #698
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And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.
Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.
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Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

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Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.
Idk man Scott Pioli affected the health and well being of this entire fan base for the last 2 years. There wasn't enough Prozac to help stomach through the Matt Cassel era
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Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.
in my case i will admit that it happened years ago, and this subject had nothing to do with it
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Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.
Not really. Comparing any type of medical doctor and his/her level of expertise to a FO Exec. for a professional franchise is ridiculous.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:52 PM   #702
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And I'll say this: people damn well better be a little bit skeptical and apply some level of critical analysis, even when being treated by medical professionals.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:12 PM   #703
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I'm curious to get your opinion on the two QB's in this specific game, especially since you've stated that Geno "struggling" in this game has adversely affected your opinion of him in terms of a potential pick for the Chiefs. (You yourself said you would "hold your nose" at the pick.)


Shit, man I had this game on DVR and I accidentally deleted it. After I heard all the comments here and on the other board I wasn't too heart broken that it was deleted. I hate to watch long video on my computer but I promise I will before now and the draft. Actually, I make that "ASAP." With the DVR it's just easier and faster to skip to the snaps involving his passes. And let's face it we are not concerned about his hand offs.

Also I used the term "holding my nose" not because I think Geno Smith stinks, but because I hate to do ANYTHING out of desperation. Geno is a very good college QB, but as of now we are not talking about a COLLEGE QB. If I'm the GM and I'm using the top pick of the draft on Geno Smith with only the data available so far I'm making a "desperation" pick.

Back to the video, I'll start watching it in portions right after the Super Bowl.
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Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.
Really? You of all people? The guy who says, "Go **** your mother" when somebody posts some shitassed piece of idiotic tripe (like tooge just did) is telling me to tone down the hyperbole?
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:33 PM   #705
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Does anyone else remember when the Bionic Woman had to fight that Hal-knockoff computer - and one of its big defenses was to fill the room with foam that sucked all the oxygen out of the air?

That's what the stupid is doing in this thread.
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