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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:41 PM   #166
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/obama-administration-gun-control-congress-executive-order-regulation


14 Ways Obama Can Push Gun Control Without Congress

Just one day earlier, Biden signaled that the White House might take unilateral steps on gun control, noting "there are executive orders, executive action that can be taken." What those steps were, Biden wouldn't say. But we've got a pretty good idea. Here are 14 proposals, all endorsed by leading gun control advocates—and in some cases, even the NRA—that the White House and its subordinate agencies could push through on their own:

1.) Actually appoint a full-time ATF director: Most of the executive branch's gun control powers require a functioning ATF—something that's not possible without anyone to run it. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms hasn't had a permanent director for six years, as a result of a deliberate reorganizing shuffle that gave the Senate veto power over new appointees. Instead, it's had a series of part-time directors. The current interim director, Todd Jones, commutes to Washington from Minnesota, where he works as a US Attorney.

2.) Actually prosecute people who try to buy guns illegally: Finally, some common ground. In the same press release in which it blasted the administration’s push for gun control, the NRA reiterated its support for the "enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime." It sounds straightforward, but it’s not what usually happens. In 2009, about 71,000 people who were legally prohibited from purchasing guns tried to obtain them anyway. Just 0.1 percent were prosecuted.

3.) Add a second serial number to new guns or improve placement of the first one: Up to 20 percent of all guns used in crimes are missing a serial number, making them impossible to trace. The solution? The ATF can require a second, hidden serial number—or just make sure the current one is placed where it can't be filed away.

4.) Background checks for gun dealers' employees: According to a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz, 74 percent of NRA members support mandatory background checks for all gun purchases. But what about people who work for gun dealers? Federal law prohibits gun dealers from employing people who couldn't pass a background check. But FBI regulations prohibit dealers from checking. The fix: Let the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) process background check requests on the retailers' behalf.

5.) Don't let dealers who lose their license retain inventory: Let's say you're a gun dealer who loses your license after flat-out ignoring federal gun regulations. You can still take advantage of the private sales loophole to unload your inventory, or just ask a friend or relative to get a license and sell through them. According to gun control advocates, the ATF could issue a regulation disallowing gun dealers stripped of their licenses from keeping their gun inventory.

6.) Make gun sellers report details of sales to manufacturers: Almost half of gun traces initiated by the ATF are not completed, according to a 2008 analysis by the Brady Campaign To Reduce Gun Violence, because the "ATF must make contact first with the manufacturer, then with the distributor and dealer to complete a trace." They recommend that the ATF issue a regulation compelling dealers to report details of sales to manufacturers to make the weapons easier to trace.

7.) Stricter regulations on inventory: A 2008 analysis by the Brady Campaign found that in the previous 12 months, about 30,000 guns had gone missing from federally licensed firearm dealers. Gun control advocates say the ATF could issue regulations calling for gun dealers to better secure their inventory without having to pass brand new laws.

8.) Require agencies to fork over data on mental health and drugs: In his first post-Newtown speech, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre lamented "our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill." The federal government already requires agencies to submit mental health data to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. But as Mayors Against Illegal Guns noted in a letter to the White House last month, of the 60 agencies required to do so, "52 had given zero mental health records" in 2009. MAIG suggests President Obama issue an executive order creating a strict and enforceable reporting requirement.

9.) Require the FBI to contact state and local agencies in case of mental health rejections: Mental health reporting is only as good as what you do with it. As MAIGS points out, the FBI "does not have guidelines for handling mental health file rejections," meaning that when a mentally ill would-be gun buyer fails a background check, state and local officials are kept in the dark. The FBI could fix that by creating an internal policy that favors sharing information.

10.) Investigate thefts of five or more guns—and make states report them: According to the FBI, 25 percent of all trafficked firearms are stolen from dealers or homes. It sounds obvious, but the ATF currently only investigates heists of 10 guns or more—and only if at least one of the guns has been connected to a crime. Apparently there's nothing troubling about the theft of nine guns.

11.) Require dealers to track all trace requests: The White House has already signaled its intent to work with major retailers on gun control. This is an obvious point of agreement: Stores like Wal-Mart already keep electronic logs of every federal trace request for a gun. By taking that to scale, they can pinpoint which stores are most likely to sell guns that end up being used in crimes.

12.) Use existing data to figure out which gun shows are the worst—and target them: The 4,000 gun shows every year in the United States produce about 30 percent of the guns that end up in the hands of criminals. But the ATF isn't tracking them. By collecting information on which traced guns were initially acquired at gun shows, the ATF can zero in on hot spots for illegal sales.

13.) Create a special DOJ unit to track interstate gun trafficking, abetted by state agreements: Richard Aborn of the Citizens Crime Commission of New York City says that the Justice Department should create a special unit focused on interstate gun trafficking to help states that want to form agreements to fight interstate gun trafficking. "Many officials in states would be happy to cooperate on trafficking, they're all interested in going after the traffickers," Aborn says.

14.) Enforce the 1968 Gun Control Act: This landmark legislation, endorsed at the time by the NRA, gives President Obama the authority to prohibit the importation of certain kinds of assault weapons, including the AK-47. He just hasn't done so. As Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, points out, “Similar action on assault rifles was taken by the George H.W. Bush and Clinton Administrations."
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:00 PM   #167
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14.) Enforce the 1968 Gun Control Act: This landmark legislation, endorsed at the time by the NRA, gives President Obama the authority to prohibit the importation of certain kinds of assault weapons, including the AK-47. He just hasn't done so. As Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, points out, “Similar action on assault rifles was taken by the George H.W. Bush and Clinton Administrations."
This won't happen at least for AKs(and honestly likely many others). Why? Countries are far more proactive in trade disputes, pretty much everyone is a WTO member now and won't hesitate to file WTO complaints against you if you arbitrarily ban their imports and yet allow domestic manufacture Hell when bush signed the original importation ban in 1989 there wasn't even a way in the WTO to settle disputes officially, now there is! Thank you WTO!
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:46 PM   #168
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Good Grief, Mother Jones for guns? How left can you go. There's only one policy that has reduced gun crimes—concealed carry.


Obama still hints at executive order on guns. Obama cited as an example “how we are gathering data.”
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/1...order-on-guns/
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:30 PM   #169
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Good Grief, Mother Jones for guns? How left can you go. There's only one policy that has reduced gun crimes—concealed carry.


Obama still hints at executive order on guns. Obama cited as an example “how we are gathering data.”
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/1...order-on-guns/
The reason why I posted this was to show that despite all the worrying on the right about an EO there really isn't much he can do.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:40 PM   #170
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The reason why I posted this was to show that despite all the worrying on the right about an EO there really isn't much he can do.
I agree he can't but then he shouldn't be creating alarm that he will. He just said he would again.
I'm sure he'd love to have this kind of power, because he can't do that much without Congress and since he's already asked for unilitareral power to raise the debt ceiling. He's a dictator at heart.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:04 PM   #171
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Reasonable discussion about what the POTUS can do
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:09 PM   #172
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Lots of inormation flowing out to NRA Life Members and Im sure to all. Best info is on NRA Facebook page or NRA website

NY is going off a cliff as expected. Most of the executive orders are bullshit and of course involve lots more government and moronic spending. Lots more will come as the antis roll out. As well expect very organized opposition.
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Lots of inormation flowing out to NRA Life Members and Im sure to all. Best info is on NRA Facebook page or NRA website

NY is going off a cliff as expected. Most of the executive orders are bullshit and of course involve lots more government and moronic spending. Lots more will come as the antis roll out. As well expect very organized opposition.
The guy in that video I posted laid out some very sound arguments to use against any ban on AR15's and "high" capacity magazines. If they do get something passed, I can see it going all the way to the SCOTUS, where they will have to strike it down based on common use tests and the Heller case.
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Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
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That's an excellent video, and not just because I agree with what was said.
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That was a good video. Except for the part where, the people are not allowed to have what is equal in firepower to a modern army. Being armed is not just for lawful defense ( or hunting ) it's to preserve liberty if the need arises to replace tyrants. SC has limited this right but they don't on free speech. Needing a permit means you need permission, which means it's not a right. We don't do that for speech. Background checks I am fine on or some state reasonable regs since this amendment really applies to restraining the Feds. So I don't support Obama reclassifying anything, which is an encroachment. But he'll probably get away with that.
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Good Grief, Mother Jones for guns? How left can you go. There's only one policy that has reduced gun crimes—concealed carry.


Obama still hints at executive order on guns. Obama cited as an example “how we are gathering data.”
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/1...order-on-guns/


I saw this just a bit ago:


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ons-86187.html

It was all focusing on enforcing existing law, administering things like improving the background database, things like that that do not involve a change in the law but enforcing and making sure that the present law is administered as well as possible,” said Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.).

The White House declined to comment on the details of what Obama will propose.



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Thanks for posting that. I think I have mentioned this before, but our local High School is not a gun free zone. That is, the school where all four of my kids have either graduated or are currently attending has multiple armed faculty/teachers with CCW permits as well as a constant police presence.

We did have an incident on December 21st last year. A third party student saw a FaceBook post that appeared somewhat threatening. It seemed to reference Sandy Hook on the night before that last school day prior to Christmas Break. He contacted the faculty the next morning (12/21/12) and they immediately began lockdown procedure. The armed faculty and officers began combing the school. Meanwhile the local police tracked down the FB poster. He was staying the night at a friend's house and had been joking around.

Several interesting things happened during the lockdown:

The school was secured by a preexisting armed presence. From anecdotal info I found out that teachers were prepping the kids, getting them armed with whatever was available in the classrooms. One of the teachers happened to have a bag of baseball equipment (he's also a coach) so he was handing out bats to the boys and trash cans to the girls, with the idea that the girls would attempt to blind the perp and the boys would jump him with bats. Several townspeople got in contact with officers via radio and drove up to the school, armed, to form a security force as well. They helped secure the school and their presence also helped to make the kids feel safer.
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I saw this just a bit ago:


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ons-86187.html

It was all focusing on enforcing existing law, administering things like improving the background database, things like that that do not involve a change in the law but enforcing and making sure that the present law is administered as well as possible,” said Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.).

The White House declined to comment on the details of what Obama will propose.



I was commenting on the machine gun points mentioned in the Cato video ( which seems to take more authority over congress than they intended with earlier laws) and the gathering data point—this latter omitting specifics:

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Obama touched on his expected legislative guns agenda at his own news conference in the East Room on Monday, while stressing the power he has via executive order.

How we are gathering data, for example, on guns that fall into the hands of criminals, and how we track that more effectively — there may be some steps that we can take administratively as opposed through legislation,” Obama said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2I3709KQy

Beware more gathering data with the increased surveillance state we live under and hundreds of drones about to be released over the country and having had a Fast and Furious already.
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