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Old 01-09-2013, 03:17 PM  
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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:56 AM   #181
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Beware more gathering data with the increased surveillance state we live under and hundreds of drones about to be released over the country and having had a Fast and Furious already.

It is ironic that he uses that phrase. Hey, I have an idea. Maybe he could try a mutated domestic version of FaF. Issue an Executive Order demanding that all citizens be given a firearm, and the training to use it effectively, at the discretion of each citizen and according to gun legislation already in place.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:20 AM   #182
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...violence-plan/

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The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
He also had a wish list of things he wanted done:

- wants Congress to pass a new Assault Weapons Ban and 10-round magazine limit
- wants to ban the manufacture of military-style assault weapons
- greater punishment of straw buyers
- universal background check
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:21 AM   #183
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Look at all these guns he is banning via EO

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Here is a list provided by the White House of the 23 executive actions President Obama plans to take to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., massacre:
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:28 AM   #184
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Look at all these guns he is banning via EO
I'm fine with all of this. He's not punishing responsible gun owners....although it seems like a bunch of nothing to me. Is he just doing this so he can say he did something?

Also, I wouldn't have been opposed to the universal background checks.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:30 AM   #185
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16 might be a problem eventually.

I agreed with almost everything he said. I also believe that the assult weapon ban isn't going to happen, since he kept mentioning "congress" and how the American people need to push them.

He doesn't have the votes, and he knows it.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:32 AM   #186
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16 might be a problem eventually.

I agreed with almost everything he said. I also believe that the assult weapon ban isn't going to happen, since he kept mentioning "congress" and how the American people need to push them.

He doesn't have the votes, and he knows it.
I thought about #16, but that already exists so I really don't count that.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:32 AM   #187
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I thought about #16, but that already exists so I really don't count that.
Oh, my mistake.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:44 AM   #188
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Oh, my mistake.
Yeah, I saw it and did a double take, but it says "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit" instead of "Change the Affordable Care Act to not prohibit". I don't support the ACA anyway.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:47 AM   #189
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Wait a minute...I was told that Obama was going to be issuing an executive order circumventing congress and the second amendment today.

If I can't believe Fox, Alex Jones, the NRA and Ted Nugent who am I supposed to believe?
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:48 AM   #190
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Wait a minute...I was told that Obama was going to be issuing an executive order circumventing congress and the second amendment today.

If I can't believe Fox, Alex Jones, the NRA and Ted Nugent who am I supposed to believe?
I guess I won't have to ban myself for the year.



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Some of these EO's are interesting...

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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
The guy responsible for Operation Fast and Furious gets to decide who is dangerous and shouldn't have a gun. How ironic.

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5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
Don't cops already check the serial number to see if a seized gun is stolen? Now you have to go through a background check before you can get your legally owned gun back? I could see this easily being abused.

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12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
DHS already runs mock active shooter scenarios at schools. I know these EO's aren't specific, but I would guess that DHS will be more involved than ever.

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16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
I didn't know that doctors could ask about your guns in the first place. Many patients will just lie about their guns, or flat out refuse to answer the question.
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All for just $4.5 Billion. And will accomplish nothing.
The best money spent on nothing ever, IMO.


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