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Old 01-09-2013, 04:17 PM  
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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:26 PM   #16
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i hate throwing that word around, but there is no other path to take as a country if our president starts that type of a power grab. as much as i disagree with the policies implemented during bush jr's presidency, this would be a million times worse.
I don't like to either as it's very serious, but there can be no other recourse if he attempts to rewrite the 2nd amendment or at least effectively/indirectly do so.

It was one thing for him to use it to cover up the Fast and the Furious (which is also so ironic), but if he would for something like this there would be absolute mass hysteria and justifiably so.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:28 PM   #17
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it is absolutely their business. obama is attempting to bypass congress to limit your constitutional rights. he is circumventing checks and balances on a whole new level. this is unacceptable, and should be grounds for impeachment.
I'm not asking whether the Court should review an executive order; but whether it would be right for them to make some sort of opinion about the President's use of them. The Supreme Court doesn't give out political opinions.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:30 PM   #18
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I don't like to either as it's very serious, but there can be no other recourse if he attempts to rewrite the 2nd amendment or at least effectively/indirectly do so.
No other recourse? It can be reviewed by the court, and it can be overturned by an act of Congress.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #19
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I'm not asking whether the Court should review an executive order; but whether it would be right for them to make some sort of opinion about the President's use of them. The Supreme Court doesn't give out political opinions.
Absolutely depending on the case and especially in this case. And he touched on why, he's attempting to circumvent the system once again.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #20
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It was one thing for him to use it to cover up the Fast and the Furious (which is also so ironic), but if he would for something like this there would be absolute mass hysteria and justifiably so.
That was executive privilege.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:33 PM   #21
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No other recourse? It can be reviewed by the court, and it can be overturned by an act of Congress.
If he actually does it then it is still an impeachable offense to me, even if it gets overturned.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:34 PM   #22
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That was executive privilege.
True....mixed up the terminology. It's still ironic though.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:37 PM   #23
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If he actually does it then it is still an impeachable offense to me, even if it gets overturned.
Do you realize the precedent that would be set if a president were impeached for simply issuing an executive order? Impeachment is for when an official breaks the law.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:43 PM   #24
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Do you realize the precedent that would be set if a president were impeached for simply issuing an executive order? Impeachment is for when an official breaks the law.
Do you realize the precedent that would be set if he is actually allowed to essentially amend the 2nd Amendment all on his own? I suppose you could argue it would depend on what exactly he chooses to force down people's throats, but again the mere attempt is outrageous.

If they want to get together and come to some common sense solutions it's one thing. If he uses Executive order to accomplish his wishes that's a whole other story entirely.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:50 PM   #25
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Do you realize the precedent that would be set if he is actually allowed to essentially amend the 2nd Amendment all on his own? I suppose you could argue it would depend on what exactly he chooses to force down people's throats, but again the mere attempt is outrageous.

If they want to get together and come to some common sense solutions it's one thing. If he uses Executive order to accomplish his wishes that's a whole other story entirely.
No Executive Order can essentially amend the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:53 PM   #26
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No Executive Order can essentially amend the 2nd Amendment.
You call it what you want and I'll call it as I see it. If the order includes bans, especially anything like the colossally moronic bans included in Diane Fiensteins POS legislation then it is absolutely an attempt to amend the 2nd amendment.
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But I thought all of the Libtards said Dear Leader would NEVER attempt to take our guns away
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Do you realize the precedent that would be set if he is actually allowed to essentially amend the 2nd Amendment all on his own? I suppose you could argue it would depend on what exactly he chooses to force down people's throats, but again the mere attempt is outrageous.

If they want to get together and come to some common sense solutions it's one thing. If he uses Executive order to accomplish his wishes that's a whole other story entirely.
Well, Obama would be breaking the law if he used one to craft law because the Constitution doesn't empower him to craft legislation and he would be mis-using an EO to cut out Congress. The Constitution is puts this power with the legislature not the executive branch. In this case he'd be infringing the Bill of Rights even.
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You call it what you want and I'll call it as I see it. If the order includes bans, especially anything like the colossally moronic bans included in Diane Fiensteins POS legislation then it is absolutely an attempt to amend the 2nd amendment.
That's not how an amendment attempt occurs.
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