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Old 01-09-2013, 07:42 PM  
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:58 PM   #481
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I think this stuff is still in play..

The unethical conduct charge against Haith stems from allegations that payments he made to his assistants for basketball camps ended up being paid to Shapiro, CBSSports.com reported. The NCAA’s claim against Haith of failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance arose from airline travel his staff gave to two players’ families, as well as allowing contact between Shapiro and players during recruiting trips, according to the report.

Current Hurricane seniors Reggie Johnson and Durand Scott were suspended last season, reportedly for accepting improper travel benefits.
The other thing that seems possible is that the subpoena was either directly used to gather information from an assistant or the threat of a subpoena was used to gather information from an assistant regarding the payment.

Emmert has said any information that was gathered via that sort of source is going to be excluded from the investigation.

All speculation, of course.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:14 PM   #482
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Isn't NCAA making head coaches, those in charge, responsible for assistants' actions? Uh, Mr. Emmert, about this happening on your watch...
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:28 PM   #483
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Abigail Grantstein was the lead investigator on the Haith case.

The same Abigail Granstein who was fired for witch-hunting and associated improprieties regarding Shabazz Muhammed (case was cleared up nearly instantly once taken out of her hands).

The same Abigail Grantstein who is a graduate of the ku law school.

Funny that she would go off the reservation on investigations involving the current Mizzou head basketball coach and a blue chip basketball player who chose UCLA over ku.

Totally a coincidence, I'm sure.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:35 PM   #484
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Abigail Grantstein was the lead investigator on the Haith case.

The same Abigail Granstein who was fired for witch-hunting and associated improprieties regarding Shabazz Muhammed (case was cleared up nearly instantly once taken out of her hands).

The same Abigail Grantstein who is a graduate of the ku law school.

Funny that she would go off the reservation on investigations involving the current Mizzou head basketball coach and a blue chip basketball player who chose UCLA over ku.

Totally a coincidence, I'm sure.
And I'll give you one guess who worked on Josh Selby's eligibility case...
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:38 PM   #485
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And I'll give you one guess who worked on Josh Selby's eligibility case...
And Tony Mitchell's and probably Ben McClemore's, too, right?
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:45 PM   #486
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Abigail Grantstein was the lead investigator on the Haith case.

The same Abigail Granstein who was fired for witch-hunting and associated improprieties regarding Shabazz Muhammed (case was cleared up nearly instantly once taken out of her hands).

The same Abigail Grantstein who is a graduate of the ku law school.

Funny that she would go off the reservation on investigations involving the current Mizzou head basketball coach and a blue chip basketball player who chose UCLA over ku.

Totally a coincidence, I'm sure.
You're right. This investigation never would have happened if Haith got a job anywhere else.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:51 PM   #487
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You're right. This investigation never would have happened if Haith got a job anywhere else.
Just making a (mostly) tongue-in-cheek observation.

It's not the investigation that's the problem, at all. It's the going-off-the-reservation stuff. The declaring of personal vendettas to ensure a player never plays college hoops (Muhammed). The pushing of ethical boundaries to gather information in a case that otherwise has nothing (Haith/defense attorney/etc).

In all likelihood, it's a coincidence, and she's just a power-mad asshole. But it's at least somewhat amusing she's a ku law grad.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:05 PM   #488
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Abigail Grantstein was the lead investigator on the Haith case.

The same Abigail Granstein who was fired for witch-hunting and associated improprieties regarding Shabazz Muhammed (case was cleared up nearly instantly once taken out of her hands).

The same Abigail Grantstein who is a graduate of the ku law school.

Funny that she would go off the reservation on investigations involving the current Mizzou head basketball coach and a blue chip basketball player who chose UCLA over ku.

Totally a coincidence, I'm sure.

Plus, we planted the two chicks who accused Dix-sin of rape. We are the almighty controllers of all things Mizzou. (big evil grins)
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:42 PM   #489
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:19 AM   #490
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So... turns out Grantstein also worked the Josh Selby case for the NCAA.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:47 AM   #491
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Dear mizzou,

It is with an enormous sense of abashed guilt that we, the Jayhawk Nation, reach out to you today.

For years now, we've been enjoying what one would have to call a hearty guffaw at the many and varied and colorful conspiracy theories you've trotted out to explain away the vast chasm or gulf that exists between the accomplishments of your men's basketball program and that of ours.

We always thought that was nothing more than a product of superior skill and hard work on the part of our coaches and players. Of course, you always told us otherwise; that the reason was actually attributable to a shadowy, sinister, Machiavellian network of nameless individuals in the Big 12 and the NCAA who gave us -- and us alone, among all the Big 12 and D1 institutions -- preferential treatment and looked the other way at our many sleazy, sordid, underhanded trangressions .

Oh, yes, we all laughed at what we regarded as your delusional, dim-witted dementia. 'No collection of supposedly college educated adults could, with a straight face, possibly claim to believe such a puerile, sophomoric raft of ridiculous foolishness that would embarrass the intelligence of some addle-brained seventh-grader' was our general mindset over here.

But laugh we can, no more.

With this latest revelation in the NCAA's investigation into your coach, Frank Haith's, dealings while there in Miami, it is incumbent upon those of us who still cherish the qualities of honesty and truth to now come forward and admit that we can no longer deny what is now so transparent. That you were right all along.

How is it possible for us to continue to deny the obvious -- that we have, indeed, set up a program to plant fans and graduates of our institution inside the NCAA and the Big 12? With financial restitution supplied to them from funds obtained through the 'Ticket Scandal'.

It has been they who have paid off the Big 12 referees to give us 'all the calls' over these past 17 years.

It was they who have allowed our coaches to bend and break the rules with total impunity.

It was they who maliciously went after an innocent and trusting Norm Stewart and Quin Snyder and placed your program on probation without just cause.

It was they who looked the other way when Ricky Clemons claimed he had accumulated 20 or 30 credit hours in one semester of summer school some years back. All with the plan to get him enrolled at your school and, later, bring epic embarrassment to it.

It was they who put into place the program to deny your men's basketball team the 2012 men's basketball regular season championship on your way to the Southeast Conference.

It was they who were responsible for placing your team in the West Regional last year and pairing you up with Norfolk State, while allowing us a free run to the Final Four and the title game.

There are, of course, many more such disturbing revelations. And they'll be certain to come out later.

Magnanimity is one of mankind's most noble qualities, Tiger fans. So, at this time, I call upon my fellow Jayhawk fans here on Phog.net to now humbly ask for you to search your collective consciences and forgive us for what our avarice and moral turptitude has wrought upon your basketball program.

Very truly yours,
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Yeah, really seems like it's the MU fans that can't let it go.
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Yeah, really seems like it's the MU fans that can't let it go.
They don't care about Mizzou...
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They don't care about Mizzou...
Says the MU fans in the KU threads... Especially Saul....

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