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Old 01-12-2013, 06:53 PM  
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John Dorsey agrees to be the Chiefs next GM. More info to come. #Chiefs
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:40 AM   #301
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While I hate *****, he ran a very good scouting network. It sounded like they were all over the place in scouting players and very thorough, whereas it felt like Peterson's network wasn't that way. It felt like Peterson relied a lot more on making a few phone calls to his buddies than in listening to his scouts.

They always say the first two rounds are typically calls made by the front office. The later rounds go to the scouts. Think our scouting department did a decent job in the late rounds, especially given that they were recruiting talent for flawed schemes. Scouting is a top down process. The better the vision is from the guys up top, the better our scouts are going to be at finding the right guys.
And Haley was Pioli's first choice all along as well, right?

To the very end you refuse to ever be right about Scott Pioli. But by all means, keep on defending the idiot and trying to argue that he wasn't anything more than another Carl Peterson run amok.

It's beyond sad watching you try to spin your way clear of the garbage you've peddled about that ass-clown for 4 years.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:41 AM   #302
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In a 3-4, you need elite pass rushing talent at the OLB position. You don't have to have elite pass rushers anywhere else. Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, and Casey Hampton weren't guys who are going to get you a ton of sacks. Maybe 10 between the three of them. Their pressure comes from dependable linemen who can attack, creative blitz schemes that create pressure from the middle, and outstanding edge rushers (which we have).

We're not as far off as you think. Changing scheme alone is going to go a really long way.
You are making his point.

Those guys are getting 2 to 3 sacks each, and getting pressure, while also opening up opportunities for Harrison and Woodley, and any blitzes from the ILB spots.

You are not just getting pressure from two positions.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:42 AM   #303
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I don't see where he said that a team has to have 5 guys with at least 6 sacks.
He said good pass rushing teams have 5-6 guys who can rush the passer.

2-3 sacks does not make pass rusher.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:45 AM   #304
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He said good pass rushing teams have 5-6 guys who can rush the passer.

2-3 sacks does not make pass rusher.
Rushing the passer isn't simply about the sack.

It's about pressure, forcing the QB to get rid of the ball, or to move, making him uncomfortable.

The Patriots ins the years that they were winning SBs were getting pressure from all different angles, even though they rarely had any one player with more than 5 sacks.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:04 AM   #305
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In a 3-4, you need elite pass rushing talent at the OLB position. You don't have to have elite pass rushers anywhere else. Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, and Casey Hampton weren't guys who are going to get you a ton of sacks. Maybe 10 between the three of them. Their pressure comes from dependable linemen who can attack, creative blitz schemes that create pressure from the middle, and outstanding edge rushers (which we have).

We're not as far off as you think. Changing scheme alone is going to go a really long way.
you do realize there is a difference between PASS RUSH and QUARTERBACK SACKS

right?

Rushing the passer is what milkman was talking about. Sacking the quarterback is part of that, but it is the cherry on top. You can generate a pass rush and NOT sack the QB. (Hurry, Interception, Incomplete, etc) And it counts a RUSH. Sacks arent the true indicator of a team that can truly rush the passer, though it does help sometimes. Just because Brett Kiesel doesnt have a lot of sacks doesnt mean he can't generate a pass rush up the middle (Not saying him specifically, but as an example)

That is clearly something we havent had in a long time. Hence me saying, 2 rushbackers does not a pass rush make. Which is correct for our current make up, and why we are one of the WORST pass rushing teams in the NFL. In terms of rushing the pass and QB sacks.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:07 AM   #306
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:10 AM   #307
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And Haley was *****'s first choice all along as well, right?

To the very end you refuse to ever be right about Scott *****. But by all means, keep on defending the idiot and trying to argue that he wasn't anything more than another Carl Peterson run amok.

It's beyond sad watching you try to spin your way clear of the garbage you've peddled about that ass-clown for 4 years.
I'm not going to thread swerve. Re-read what I wrote here and what I've wrote about Pioli for the last 2 years. I said he was a shit GM. I don't mind if people want to call me out for my dumb opinions. But get your facts straight before calling me out for opinions I didn't make.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:15 AM   #308
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glazer on fox said the jets "can't give their GM position away...they're calling back people who turned them down and begging them to reconsider"
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:17 AM   #309
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #310
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glazer on fox said the jets "can't give their GM position away...they're calling back people who turned them down and begging them to reconsider"
How about that...KC > NY.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #311
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you do realize there is a difference between PASS RUSH and QUARTERBACK SACKS

right?

Rushing the passer is what milkman was talking about. Sacking the quarterback is part of that, but it is the cherry on top. You can generate a pass rush and NOT sack the QB. (Hurry, Interception, Incomplete, etc) And it counts a RUSH. Sacks arent the true indicator of a team that can truly rush the passer, though it does help sometimes. Just because Brett Kiesel doesnt have a lot of sacks doesnt mean he can't generate a pass rush up the middle (Not saying him specifically, but as an example)

That is clearly something we havent had in a long time. Hence me saying, 2 rushbackers does not a pass rush make. Which is correct for our current make up, and why we are one of the WORST pass rushing teams in the NFL. In terms of rushing the pass and QB sacks.
Yes, I recognize the difference. I am not looking at this thread in a vacuum. I know that you have several threads where you said we need to blow this defense up and have implied we need lots of elite pass rushers.

We don't get pass rush from our LBs or Safeties because Romeo doesn't blitz enough. Berry and DJ are more than capable of blitzing effectively in a zone blitz. They just need a scheme to let them loose. On the D-line, modern 3-4's allow the D-line to stunt. Romeo has our guys reading and reacting the majority of the time, and playing a pure gap-control.

Scheme is going to fix a lot of our pass rush problems. If not, there's 2 guys (our DEs)... and it's possible we have 1 or 2 quality roster guys already, but they just need a scheme that will let them loose.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:19 AM   #312
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glazer on fox said the jets "can't give their GM position away...they're calling back people who turned them down and begging them to reconsider"
Don't blame the candidates because they'd be walking into a position to fail. Coach in place whom he doesn't want? Check. QBs in place whom he doesn't want and one whom he likely can't get rid of because of contract? Check.

Should have nuked the entire thing, but some people are just too stubborn or stupid to realize this.
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That made my morning "Pre-football" today lol
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