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Old 01-12-2013, 09:43 PM  
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:00 AM   #301
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:11 AM   #302
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lol if any team deserves to be cheated by the refs it is Denver. That is what cheaters get.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:31 AM   #303
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cheated? that video did the refs justice. the first pass interference call in particular. that was waaaaay to much contact after 5 yards, plus an arm bar on the receiver, both of which the refs look for.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:47 AM   #304
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cheated? that video did the refs justice. the first pass interference call in particular. that was waaaaay to much contact after 5 yards, plus an arm bar on the receiver, both of which the refs look for.
Yup, and the video shows that Manning got the ball back into his body, even had 2 hands on it before he fumbled it.

Bitching about not get a PI on 3rd and 8 on a 2 yard dump pass where the guy is completely covered is funny as well. Champ was also holding the guys arm back while the ball was in the air, obvious PI.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:58 AM   #305
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Yup, and the video shows that Manning got the ball back into his body, even had 2 hands on it before he fumbled it.

Bitching about not get a PI on 3rd and 8 on a 2 yard dump pass where the guy is completely covered is funny as well. Champ was also holding the guys arm back while the ball was in the air, obvious PI.
It's not about getting the ball back into his body, its about re-establishing possession. Manning clearly did not. Touching the ball briefly with both hands before it slides down his leg does not constitute possession.

As far as Champ, what are you talking about? One hand is on his back, the other is out away from both of them batting at the ball. His right hand touches the receiver's arm before the ball is thrown, but it certainly doesn't keep the receiver from stretching his arm out.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:07 AM   #306
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It's not about getting the ball back into his body, its about re-establishing possession. Manning clearly did not. Touching the ball briefly with both hands before it slides down his leg does not constitute possession.

As far as Champ, what are you talking about? One hand is on his back, the other is out away from both of them batting at the ball. His right hand touches the receiver's arm before the ball is thrown, but it certainly doesn't keep the receiver from stretching his arm out.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:35 AM   #308
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lol if any team deserves to be cheated by the refs it is Denver. That is what cheaters get.
Denver fans complaining about those calls only goes to show what a whiny, sniveling, cry baby, bunch of excuse makers they are.

In the grander scheme, Manning throws two interceptions and Champ was beat like a kettle drum all day.

Yeah, blame the refs
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It's not about getting the ball back into his body, its about re-establishing possession. Manning clearly did not. Touching the ball briefly with both hands before it slides down his leg does not constitute possession.

As far as Champ, what are you talking about? One hand is on his back, the other is out away from both of them batting at the ball. His right hand touches the receiver's arm before the ball is thrown, but it certainly doesn't keep the receiver from stretching his arm out.
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It's not about getting the ball back into his body, its about re-establishing possession. Manning clearly did not. Touching the ball briefly with both hands before it slides down his leg does not constitute possession.

As far as Champ, what are you talking about? One hand is on his back, the other is out away from both of them batting at the ball. His right hand touches the receiver's arm before the ball is thrown, but it certainly doesn't keep the receiver from stretching his arm out.
Champs arm might end up in the air right before the ball gets there, but before that it has the other guys arm locked behind his back and actually causes his body to turn to the right. Easy call for the ref standing there.

Having two hands on the ball, and up against his body would constitute tucking, which makes it a fumble. It isn't a catch where he has to make a football move or show control while going to the ground.
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cheated? that video did the refs justice. the first pass interference call in particular. that was waaaaay to much contact after 5 yards, plus an arm bar on the receiver, both of which the refs look for.
I agree about the early contact, I can't tell if it's before or after the ball is thrown. The ref calls "cutoff" though. I don't see any arm bar, just Doss trying to run through Carter. Carter was even going for the ball. Shouldn't the CB be entitled to his space?
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Champs arm might end up in the air right before the ball gets there, but before that it has the other guys arm locked behind his back and actually causes his body to turn to the right. Easy call for the ref standing there.

Having two hands on the ball, and up against his body would constitute tucking, which makes it a fumble. It isn't a catch where he has to make a football move or show control while going to the ground.
At this point I'm convinced that you haven't even watched it. The arm that's swatting at the ball never even touches the receiver. Neither of the receiver's arms ever go behind his back, let alone being locked there. I don't know what you are watching.

The ball has to stop moving in his hands at some point for him to have possession.
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It's not about getting the ball back into his body, its about re-establishing possession. Manning clearly did not. Touching the ball briefly with both hands before it slides down his leg does not constitute possession.

As far as Champ, what are you talking about? One hand is on his back, the other is out away from both of them batting at the ball. His right hand touches the receiver's arm before the ball is thrown, but it certainly doesn't keep the receiver from stretching his arm out.
Every one of those is totally legit. Ticky tacky maybe but legit
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Every one of those is totally legit. Ticky tacky maybe but legit
No PI when the corner hits the receiver early and holds his arm down is legit? No call on a leg whip? No call on nearly tackling the receiver well before the ball arrives? No call on kicker practicing kicks when the rulebook states that it is a 15 yard penalty? Those are all legit?
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