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Old 01-14-2013, 08:49 AM  
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Why do the Anti-Gun crowd hate women?

Why do the Anti-Gun crowd hate women?
Why would you want to make it harder or impossible for a woman to defend herself against rape or sexual assault?

Remember, just because you are the wormy squirly girly man type and most women can kick your ass anyway does not mean there are not others out there she can't and may need a little help to equalize..
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:54 PM   #151
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Do laws stop criminals, or do they give reasonable guidelines to average citizens?
I'd say both.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:55 PM   #152
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Here's the thing. If you look at gun legislation as a set of reasonable rules designed to prevent the wrong people from gaining possession of firearms then the corollary is also true. Given the validity of the second amendment, gun legislation should also encourage the right people to be armed. Such as women who are at risk of being victims of violent crimes.
I don't know anybody who's argued otherwise.

Really, has anybody argued otherwise?
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:56 PM   #153
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Explain, using these measures that Obama/Biden are likely to suggest tomorrow:
  • universal background checks
  • close the gunshow loophole
  • limits on magazine capacity
  • assault weapons ban
  • some added security measures for public schools
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  • universal background checks: people that can't pass the checks get raped
  • close the gunshow loophole: people get raped at gun shows
  • limits on magazine capacity: people that can't aim well get raped
  • assault weapons ban: people that used to have assault weapons get rapted
  • some added security measures for public schools: people not in public schools get raped

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:56 PM   #154
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No, it's not a strawman. It speaks directly to the intent of this thread. Just because you find something uncomfortable to deal with, it does not morph into a dishonest debate tactic.
I don't find the idea of defending a woman's right to own firearms uncomfortable. I find it sensible.

Which is why there's no serious proposal to change that.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:56 PM   #155
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I think that an armed woman who is well trained/educated in the use of said firearm is less likely to be the victim of a violent crime, including rape. Why would someone want to take away that woman's firearm?
I would agree, and nobody would.

So, end of thread?
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:57 PM   #156
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Of course to you it doesn't because it blows a huge hole in your argument
No, because you complained about something yet your only response to it was utterly irrelevent.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:59 PM   #157
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I already have 10+ guns ...... Why?
Because maybe something's happened since your previous purchase to flag authorities that you are no longer fit to have legal access to firearms, if we're going to fiddle around with hypotheticals.

Like maybe you've been diagnosed last week with homicidal tendencies.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:59 PM   #158
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:00 PM   #159
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Some studies are more conclusive than others, I'll admit as much.

You continue to completely ignore this study, however, which directly underlines the argument that greater gun prevalence (which you clearly advocate) means greater homicide rates.
No, I began completely ignoring the thread you posted it in because when you were obviously proven incorrect you just squirmed and tried to redirect the conversation. Anyway, back to this thread where you continue to fail to address the point that was raised in the OP.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:00 PM   #160
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I would agree, and nobody would.

So, end of thread?
Cool, then you are not "anti gun", correct?
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:01 PM   #161
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We have an organization out there that makes it one of their core concepts. I have a lot of respect for them and their work with hunter safety, firearm safety, tactical training and community service in general. I think you have heard of them. The National Rifle Association.
My problem is that they also push for hilariously expansive gun rights, and resist any and all efforts for even menial gun control.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:02 PM   #162
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at that explanation....

The Gun Show Loophole isn't actually a loophole since it's completely legal and always has been.
That's what a loophole is.

Loopholes aren't illegal. That's why they're loopholes.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:03 PM   #163
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Answers below:
  • universal background checks: people that can't pass the checks get raped
  • close the gunshow loophole: people get raped at gun shows
  • limits on magazine capacity: people that can't aim well get raped
  • assault weapons ban: people that used to have assault weapons get rapted
  • some added security measures for public schools: people not in public schools get raped
In a sane world, this would end the thread.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:08 PM   #164
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I don't know anybody who's argued otherwise.

Really, has anybody argued otherwise?
Great. What are your suggestions for legislation aimed at arming and training/educating more of our general populace?
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:11 PM   #165
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No, I began completely ignoring the thread you posted it in because when you were obviously proven incorrect you just squirmed and tried to redirect the conversation.
I was not proven incorrect at all, and you stopped posting when a bunch of information you thought should have been regarded as The Conversation Ender was rebutted.

Let's revisit, shall we:
  • I argued that the Hubb quote you posted was a false dichotomy -- which you have not attempted to rebut, nor really addressed in any meaningful way.
  • I rebutted a Jefferson quote you pulled out that you thought was the definitive Jeffersonian answer to all things guns, by showing that Jefferson's view that changing facts on the ground can and should alter our beliefs on policy.
  • You claimed, or at least suggested, that regulation is the same thing as dismissing basic rights. I pointed out that, of course, it's not.
  • You claimed that my political positioning is a total stonewall of all history, and ignorant and dismissive of it. I reiterated of course that it is not.
You didn't mount any serious rebuttal to any of this. These were all responses to arguments you made -- your misdirections.

Screw your head back on.

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Anyway, back to this thread where you continue to fail to address the point that was raised in the OP.
That, what, the motivation for repealing the Second Amendment is rooted in sexism?

Is that even the argument I'm supposed to respond to? Because I found your shit much more reasonable.
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