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*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

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Old 07-26-2014, 04:31 PM   #136
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Speaking of Sorensen, I saw that Jake Marlin, fellow 2013 4X state champ and Sorensen's roommate left Iowa to wrestle at a community college or something.
I don't know the story with that but it would have been tough for Marlin to crack the lineup for a few years. He's a 141/149 guy and the two starters last year (while not complete studs) have two years of eligibility left.

Maybe he'll end up at UNI eventually. With Brands continuing to recruit nationally, Schwab is really benefitting from the local talent.
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Old 07-26-2014, 10:30 PM   #137
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How many of you were forced into it?
I loved it.... Every part of it....
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:56 PM   #138
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:27 PM   #139
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Serious question here:

Did you guys actually enjoy the sport of wrestling in high school? I can't imagine the weight cutting or grabbing another man in spandex would be fun.

How many of you were forced into it?
Enjoyed absolutely every bit of it from the time I was 7 years old until I was 20. Dislocating my elbow in the state championship match and having to forfeit the match when I was up by 5 points in the third period during my senior season is something that still bothers me to this day.
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:36 PM   #140
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Enjoyed absolutely every bit of it from the time I was 7 years old until I was 20. Dislocating my elbow in the state championship match and having to forfeit the match when I was up by 5 points in the third period during my senior season is something that still bothers me to this day.
Oh my God, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I just can't imagine. I don't know if I'd ever get over that. Hell, as you may have seen on the video I posted on the page prior to this, I had a very difficult time getting over a semi-consols loss from state.... and that was 100% my fault for that head lock I got caught in was atrocious. Man.... I feel for ya...that's awful.
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Oh my God, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I just can't imagine. I don't know if I'd ever get over that. Hell, as you may have seen on the video I posted on the page prior to this, I had a very difficult time getting over a semi-consols loss from state.... and that was 100% my fault for that head lock I got caught in was atrocious. Man.... I feel for ya...that's awful.
Yeah, I was attempting a Granby roll and for some reason my left arm didn't tuck under correctly. Came out of the roll with my arm sticking out 90 degrees from my elbow. Match stopped and the doctors rushed the mat. I was in intense pain, but was keeping my composure pretty well. I asked the doctors if they could put it back in place, tape it up, and let me finish. They told me I had to go straight to the hospital to make sure I kept sufficient blood flow to the arm. When I realized my dream was over, that is when I cried like a little bitch. I didn't even get to stand on the podium to receive my second place medal. Still bothers me and that was 24 years ago.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:32 PM   #143
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Yeah, I was attempting a Granby roll and for some reason my left arm didn't tuck under correctly. Came out of the roll with my arm sticking out 90 degrees from my elbow. Match stopped and the doctors rushed the mat. I was in intense pain, but was keeping my composure pretty well. I asked the doctors if they could put it back in place, tape it up, and let me finish. They told me I had to go straight to the hospital to make sure I kept sufficient blood flow to the arm. When I realized my dream was over, that is when I cried like a little bitch. I didn't even get to stand on the podium to receive my second place medal. Still bothers me and that was 24 years ago.
I would have cried as well. I probably would have been crying on the medal stand (if not rushed to the hospital immediately). In fact, there were probably random spectators in the stands who were crying because they felt bad for you. Wrestling hits deep. Was there a lot of time left in the 3rd period when it happened?

Man...sometimes timing just makes things straight up unfair.
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Did you guys actually enjoy the sport of wrestling in high school? I can't imagine the weight cutting or grabbing another man in spandex would be fun.

How many of you were forced into it?
The sport of wrestling builds more character and mental toughness than any other sport in my opinion. It's not even about the matches. It's the discipline to maintain your weight, to not eat, to push yourself farther physically than you thought possible and then keep going.

I loved it, I walked around at 165 and wrestled at 138. It wasn't even the biggest cut on our team.
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I would have cried as well. I probably would have been crying on the medal stand (if not rushed to the hospital immediately). In fact, there were probably random spectators in the stands who were crying because they felt bad for you. Wrestling hits deep. Was there a lot of time left in the 3rd period when it happened?

Man...sometimes timing just makes things straight up unfair.
42 seconds left in the third period. My opponent had scored a reversal about 10 seconds prior to make the score 7-2.
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Firstly, pardon any ignorance in this post, as we're just getting into wrestling. I'm from the South, so I didn't grow up with the sport, and it's just now starting to build up some here.

My youngest had his first match today after 3 practices. He's in novice division 1 (6 year old) and wrestled up a weight class (he's 58 lbs. and was wrestling kids up to 70lbs).

Had 5 matches, and he only won one of them. I'll say that if he would have wrestled in his first 3 matches like he wrestled in his final two, he probably would have only lost 1 match. He just didn't understand how to score points or anything and wasn't ever getting takedowns until his last two matches. Then it started clicking for him. Unfortunately, his last match was against his best wrestling buddy who just dominated the division (he's on the upper end of the weight class), so he wasn't winning that one. He did wrestle him for 3 rounds, whereas the kid had pinned everyone else in the division in the first round.

Anyway, here's the coolest thing:

My son is a pretty average athlete. He's gifted physically, but he's a complete lazy **** on the mental side of the game. He just wants to talk to his buddies and hang out. In soccer, baseball, and football... he "lollygags" all the time. He's never really been invested in winning, and he's basically let his teammates carry him in games (though he was a pretty badass scorer in soccer). He just has a lack of effort.

Today, at the end of his match, he saw his best buddy win a medal. He didn't get anything and placed 5th. He was bummed. Like seriously bummed (complete with tears). I felt bad for him, but I was happy to see him actually care. He's now motivated to actually practice, get better, and actually put out some effort. He and his buddies stayed and wrestled and worked with the coaches for an hour after the novice division before the Open started. This isn't something we've seen from him with team sports, but the individual nature of mano y mano on the mat is completely different. It was a pretty badass character building day for him. Looking forward to more.
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Great story, especially the part where he found the desire to win and learn. I've coached it for years, and the sport is simply awesome for all involved. The weight difference is huge, and even more huge that that age, and being his first outing. You might need to talk to the coach about getting into some novice tournaments that offer something with kids in his weight class, or maybe one up. But at that age weight classes should be 5lb differences, so 58 wrestling 70 ain't not small deal. If they can't find tournaments that have his weight class in it that "fits the team", perhaps you can find one and ask a coach to go with y'all to that one so he can coach him mat-side. I've done it, but usually so a heavier kid can find somebody closer to him. But never let your son know of any such conversations, it's not helpful, and it should never be a demand, just a query. Trust me, setting-up tournaments if tough. It brings in much needed money for the team, but figuring-out brackets, and planning for all the known lairs that are some coaches (yeah, it just sucks!!), but bracket night is hardly ever easy or overly fun. LOL, and when the liar coaches find out you put their kids in brackets with kids their own weight, they usually freak the next morning! Ha!!

But tell him coach GloryDayz takes his hat off to him for standing his ground, that's awesome and a big step in life that says a lot about taking on what's put in front of you..

Just tell him that the first tournament is just that, the first. It shows the difference between the room and game-day. And you usually need to gently insert the reality that the kids who mopped-up the mat with him, are usually either very committed (fucused and all those things the coaches have been yelling about), or in their second year. Yeah, you'll find some 3rd year kids, but that's crap and a punk move (not that you should ever bother to tell him). Just tell him to double-down in the room, work the moves exactly like coach shows them, and be as good a practice partner as he now needs his team mates to be when they're in the room. be friends later, but in the room wrestle your ass off. If they do, all of them will find more success on Sunday's and eventually Saturdays, and hopefully in school.

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Firstly, pardon any ignorance in this post, as we're just getting into wrestling. I'm from the South, so I didn't grow up with the sport, and it's just now starting to build up some here.

My youngest had his first match today after 3 practices. He's in novice division 1 (6 year old) and wrestled up a weight class (he's 58 lbs. and was wrestling kids up to 70lbs).

Had 5 matches, and he only won one of them. I'll say that if he would have wrestled in his first 3 matches like he wrestled in his final two, he probably would have only lost 1 match. He just didn't understand how to score points or anything and wasn't ever getting takedowns until his last two matches. Then it started clicking for him. Unfortunately, his last match was against his best wrestling buddy who just dominated the division (he's on the upper end of the weight class), so he wasn't winning that one. He did wrestle him for 3 rounds, whereas the kid had pinned everyone else in the division in the first round.

Anyway, here's the coolest thing:

My son is a pretty average athlete. He's gifted physically, but he's a complete lazy **** on the mental side of the game. He just wants to talk to his buddies and hang out. In soccer, baseball, and football... he "lollygags" all the time. He's never really been invested in winning, and he's basically let his teammates carry him in games (though he was a pretty badass scorer in soccer). He just has a lack of effort.

Today, at the end of his match, he saw his best buddy win a medal. He didn't get anything and placed 5th. He was bummed. Like seriously bummed (complete with tears). I felt bad for him, but I was happy to see him actually care. He's now motivated to actually practice, get better, and actually put out some effort. He and his buddies stayed and wrestled and worked with the coaches for an hour after the novice division before the Open started. This isn't something we've seen from him with team sports, but the individual nature of mano y mano on the mat is completely different. It was a pretty badass character building day for him. Looking forward to more.
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Great story, especially the part where he found the desire to win and learn. I've coached it for years, and the sport is simply awesome for all involved. The weight difference is huge, and even more huge that that age, and being his first outing. You might need to talk to the coach about getting into some novice tournaments that offer something with kids in his weight class, or maybe one up. But at that age weight classes should be 5lb differences, so 58 wrestling 70 ain't not small deal. If they can't find tournaments that have his weight class in it that "fits the team", perhaps you can find one and ask a coach to go with y'all to that one so he can coach him mat-side. I've done it, but usually so a heavier kid can find somebody closer to him. But never let your son know of any such conversations, it's not helpful, and it should never be a demand, just a query. Trust me, setting-up tournaments if tough. It brings in much needed money for the team, but figuring-out brackets, and planning for all the known lairs that are some coaches (yeah, it just sucks!!), but bracket night is hardly ever easy or overly fun. LOL, and when the liar coaches find out you put their kids in brackets with kids their own weight, they usually freak the next morning! Ha!!

But tell him coach GloryDayz takes his hat off to him for standing his ground, that's awesome and a big step in life that says a lot about taking on what's put in front of you..

Just tell him that the first tournament is just that, the first. It shows the difference between the room and game-day. And you usually need to gently insert the reality that the kids who mopped-up the mat with him, are usually either very committed (fucused and all those things the coaches have been yelling about), or in their second year. Yeah, you'll find some 3rd year kids, but that's crap and a punk move (not that you should ever bother to tell him). Just tell him to double-down in the room, work the moves exactly like coach shows them, and be as good a practice partner as he now needs his team mates to be when they're in the room. be friends later, but in the room wrestle your ass off. If they do, all of them will find more success on Sunday's and eventually Saturdays, and hopefully in school.

Oh, and study hard too! There should be no dumb wrestlers, we leave that to football (that I played!!) and baseball (that I played too!!).. Books first!
Yeah. They had to combine a bunch of weights in this tournament (and probably will in most tournaments) because of the lack of wrestlers. They also wanted the novices to get to wrestle as many matches as possible.

Wrestling is pretty much in its infancy in this area. There's a pretty storied club out of Little Rock called the Mighty Bluebirds, but other than that we don't have a lot of clubs. They formed this club about two weeks ago, and we already have had around 30 kids showing up for every practice (5 years old up to 14, at which point they start wrestling for the high school). Anyway, we have another tournament this weekend in Van Buren, which is about an hour away. Hopefully the snow/ice they're predicting doesn't keep us from attending.
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