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Old 01-16-2013, 12:58 AM  
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If not #1, where?

The draftniks keep saying that Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 pick.
None of them say he isn't the top QB in the class though.
If we don't take him at #1 how far is he realistically going to fall?

I see no scenario where he falls out of the Top 10.

So if he's the top QB in a weak class...
QB is our biggest need...
And he's gonna go Top 10 anyway...

Why not at #1?

Am I wrong to say he won't fall out of the Top 10?

Discuss...
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:13 PM   #196
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No.

You seem to think that people who want to draft Geno are just pulling his name out of the hat because they're desperate and would be happy with anybody. Which just isn't true. The people who like Geno want to draft Geno because they think he's going to be very, very good. Which would be why there's dozens of gifs and videos and analysis in that 9000+ post thread.

The simple truth is this: You think Geno is a huge risk. And many, many people disagree with you. Including every single draft "expert" who says he isn't a #1 and then has another team draft him at 3 or 8.
THIS.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:13 PM   #197
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Geno Smith is a FAR better prospect than ANY of those three.
According to NFL Scouts, he's not far better than them. NFL Scouts>ChiefsPlanet Geno crowd
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:14 PM   #198
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According to NFL Scouts, he's not far better than them. NFL Scouts>ChiefsPlanet Geno crowd
What NFL scouts?

Name them.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:14 PM   #199
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According to NFL Scouts, he's not far better than them. NFL Scouts>ChiefsPlanet Geno crowd
Dude, it's ****ing January. We have no idea what or where they guys are gonna be.


I get that you don't like Geno, thats fine. I do think it's funny that you've progressed from the "he can't make reads" wait he does in that video, "it's all Tavon" wait thats actually a rushing play, "he doesn't have a high football IQ".


In the end, just gonna have to wait and see tho.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:15 PM   #200
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That happened in 2011. If Del Rio and Gene Smith weren't trying to save their jobs, there's no way Blaine Gabbert goes at #10. Same goes for the Titans and Jake Locker. Locker has struggled with accuracy issues his entire career, yet he was a high first rounder. What's happened? He's struggled with accuracy issues in the NFL.

Jimmy Johnson called Christian Ponder the NFL's worst QB this past season. Where do you think that team would be if A.P. was replaced by a Vick Ballard? 1-15? 2-14?

Teams will inevitably reach for a few years because of the new CBA but once they realize they ARE reaching and that these guys aren't worth their draft position, we'll see things get back to "normal", i.e., pre-2010.
You could throw Tannehill in there too.

Yeah, the CBA is a huge part of it since the monetary risk is so much less now, but its also the rules skewing everything to offense right now imo... a well rounded "manager" type just wont do anymore, everyone wants a big armed playmaker machine to take advantage of the current rules.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:17 PM   #201
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Geno Smith is a FAR better prospect than ANY of those three.
Exactly. He cites accuracy issues for all of those 2011 guys.

Uhh... Geno has accuracy issues?
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:17 PM   #202
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I just want to know if Geno, who the vast majority sees as being the best QB in the draft, is not worth the #1 pick then who is?
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:18 PM   #203
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I just want to know if Geno, who the vast majority sees as being the best QB in the draft, is not worth the #1 pick then who is?
Luke Joeckel. Duh.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:18 PM   #204
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I just want to know if Geno, who the vast majority sees as being the best QB in the draft, is not worth the #1 pick then who is?
Well, we've heard alot of "trade down" and "Joeckel" talk the last few days.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:19 PM   #205
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Well, we've heard alot of "trade down" and "Joeckel" talk the last few days.
I have no problem with trading down. But you had better be 100% guaranteed to end up with that #1 QB. No number of 2nd/3rd round picks is worth missing out on the best the draft has to offer in the most important position.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:20 PM   #206
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You disagree with the idea that people have latched onto Geno because they're desperate?

Are you in the business of reading other people's minds then?
Are you kidding? Geno looked like an absolute world-beater through the first 5 or 6 games. He had some problems in a couple Big 12 games, but his stats still look spectacular.

We're not talking about people who didn't follow college, then one day looked around, said "we need a QB in the worst way! Who is the best? I guess its Geno".

You are talking to people, like myself, who watched a lot of his games and never came off the bandwagon since the college season began.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:20 PM   #207
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I think that we should all feel honored that without ANY Due Diligence on your part (Wonderlic, psychological testing, Pro Day workout, Combine work out) that YOU have decided that Geno Smith is unequivocally the best prospect in the 2013 draft.

Hell, the Chiefs should just close up shop. The pick is in!
now those are results of interest -- not "throwing at the combine" as you said in a different post.

What matters to scouts & NFL staffs is the collegiate QB performances. Wins are good, but still not at the crux of what NFL teams scout in college QBing. They look for QB's that have focus, mental strength to come from behind, footwork and improvement in those areas of mechanics throughout their college play, gamers -- guys that can trick defenses, quick drops & quick releases, accuracy is a big focus... a long list I'm sure you are well verse in and could easily add to.

Geno has the most upside of all these QB's, most will agree, including you I'm guessing.

Imo the combine gives some perspective of general athletic abilities such as run speed, quickness and coordination, core/body strength etc. The wonderlic has some bearing also, but I don't believe any of these aspects from combine testing is as important as collegiate works. It gives NFL staffs some more time to spend with these players as well, and it becomes a bit more revealing as this is mere days before their big date with the draft, so focus becomes intense for both parties.

I agree with you when you say we really don't know if Geno Smith is the best QB and/or the right #1 pick, but for now, I don't see anyone putting up the kind of detailed argument for other players.

We see the Bray/Wilson fans posting win results, but again, wins are not the most important aspect of drafting a QB to play in the NFL.

Case in point; Brian Griese, son of former NFL HOF QB Bob Griese, went undefeated during his senior season for the wolverines. He was the MVP in the rose bowl, a game he handily won which capped off a perfect season for the young QB. He was drafted 3rd round that year and he never could put anything together in the NFL.

There are other examples, but I'll leave my point at that. Wins are definitely indicative, but not paramount in scouting a QB for the NFL.

I may change my mind as to which QB is the guy for this team in this coming draft. But right now, I don't see any reason to choose any other player than Geno. Not for the Chiefs. To me, they need to start a draft run on QB's the way they have made a run at DL guys over the past 12 years. If the Chiefs are going to compete in the NFL ever again, they need to do that because they have neglected the position for so long, I don't believe the Hunts have any idea why they fail so badly year after year.

Until now.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:20 PM   #208
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I have no problem with trading down. But you had better be 100% guaranteed to end up with that #1 QB. No number of 2nd/3rd round picks are worthy of missing out on the best the draft has to offer in the most important position.
The only problem I have with trading down is believing that ANYBODY would want to trade up...
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According to NFL Scouts, he's not far better than them. NFL Scouts>ChiefsPlanet Geno crowd
And to be honest, there are about 5 or 6 guys on CP who I'd actually rather have running my draft than quite a few Gm's.
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Are you kidding? Geno looked like an absolute world-beater through the first 5 or 6 games. He had some problems in a couple Big 12 games, but his stats still look spectacular.

We're not talking about people who didn't follow college, then one day looked around, said "we need a QB in the worst way! Who is the best? I guess its Geno".

You are talking to people, like myself, who never came off the bandwagon since the college season began.
Exactly.
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