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Old 01-16-2013, 10:54 AM  
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Thomas Jones to donate brain for study after death

Thomas Jones fears developing CTE
Updated: January 16, 2013, 10:00 AM ET
By Jane McManus | ESPNNewYork.com

Thomas Jones, a retired running back who played for five teams in 12 NFL seasons, has decided to donate his brain upon his death to the Sports Legacy Institute to be studied for evidence of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). Jones said he has no idea how many concussions he sustained, but that he's concerned with what they could mean for his future.

"Honestly, like I couldn't give you a number because you just play with them," Jones said. "You can't know; nobody does. I think the guys counting the concussions were the ones that got knocked out."

The Sports Legacy Institute won't confirm individual donations, but a spokesperson said that more than 600 living athletes have decided to donate their brains to be studied. Of 34 neural tissue samples from NFL players, 33 had evidence of CTE. Jones said he can only guess at what has happened to his brain after 20 years of games and practices -- and numerous "baby concussions" -- through his NFL, college and high school career.

"It's like taking a fresh, ripe apple and tapping it with your thumb over and over again," Jones said.

Jones is in the editing process of a documentary series, "The NFL: The Gift or the Curse?" The first of six planned episodes, produced by Jones' company Independently Major Entertainment Films, deals with concussions and suicide.

He interviewed Ann McKee, co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at Boston University and co-director Chris Nowinski about the issue. Jones decided to make his donation after conducting interviews for the project.

Last week, Junior Seau's family revealed that his brain showed evidence of CTE when he committed suicide last year. This generation of players is the first to play with concrete evidence that they could be compromising not-too-distant futures by playing professional football.

In the documentary, Jones also interviewed former defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, who was drafted by the Dolphins in 2000. Ogunleye sees ominous signs in what might just be everyday forgetfulness.

"Somebody might tell me their name; I don't remember it right away," Ogunleye said. "Now I kind of laugh it off but when stuff like that happens, I'll be like, 'Damn, I hope these concussions don't come back to haunt us in the end.' And if they do, I just pray someone is there to help me through the tough times that may come."

In the rough cut, Ogunleye then puts his face in his hands. Jones comes over and puts his arm on Ogunleye's shoulder.

These issues are personal for NFL players. Jones uses the example of Dave Duerson's suicide in February of last year.

"His suicide, you see it on TV and it's just news," Jones said. "But to us, it's more than that."

Jones envisions the series as the players speaking directly to the fans about the pitfalls of playing in the NFL. He understands that many people see attaining the dream of playing in the NFL as a dream come true, but wants to show what it looks like through the eyes of the men who reached that goal.

"The fans look at it as money," Jones said, "but once you've bought everything you want, you realize there is more you want out of life."

The series also will focus on issues such as domestic violence and financial pressures. Jones is talking with possible distributors for the project.


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Old 01-16-2013, 12:28 PM   #31
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I understand that you guys dont know me, so I should probably lay off the sarcasm a bit.

The point is, what else can be done to make the game safer? Donating your brain is great. In the long term what is that going to accomplish? It's going to show more evidence of how violent the game really is. Its going to scare parents off from teaching there kids the game.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:31 PM   #32
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:31 PM   #33
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I'll spend a few minutes on this, though God knows why because I damn well know it's a waste of time:

1. until the last few years, nobody really understood just how damaging multiple concussions could be to the quality of life of football players post-career. So yes, they understood the risk of injury, but did they understand that multiple concussions might leave them seriously mentally impaired on a daily basis by the time they were 50? Hell no.

2. You say they are whining and want sympathy. I didn't see any whining there. I saw a bunch of statements of obvious facts, and CONCERN that he MIGHT be in trouble in the future. Like any normal human would be concerned.

3. It seems to me that donating one's brain to scientific study, and discussing this issue, can only help future players and the NFL try to figure out how to play the game in a way that we recognize as football, while trying to avoid having a psychiatric ward full of mentally impaired former NFL players.

What, exactly, did Jones do that was wrong here? Answer: nothing.

But by all means go back to your knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing "he knew da risks, **** 'im" point of view. I'm sure that will be very beneficial to former, current and future NFL players.
Good post. Agree on all points.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:40 PM   #34
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suspose his brain never was right .....
So he was born with CTE? As in he suffered countless hits to the head while in the womb?
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:41 PM   #35
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here's a question I've wondered.

What sort of ratio do we think the increased concussions are related to?

The improved knowledge, and ability to identify concussion symptoms?

or the god awful NFL tackling? it seems like 90% of the time (probably an exaggeratino) these guys just lauche their heads, head-first - into any big/high speed tackle. ?
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:41 PM   #36
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You signed the million dollar contract to get hit in the head thousands of times, nobody forced you to do it. You could have gone a different route with your free college degree. cash your check while the rest of us work 9-5.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:42 PM   #37
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I understand that you guys dont know me, so I should probably lay off the sarcasm a bit.
Bullshit.

You weren't being "sarcastic", at all. Anyone who throws out the "Oh, but they make millions of dollars" is outright jealous.

Furthermore, even THAT is ****ing bullshit. There are guys throughout the league earning less than $100k a year on the practice squad, guys on rookie contracts that received NO signing bonus playing for less than $200k, etc.

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The point is, what else can be done to make the game safer?
What else? Are you this ****ing retarded?

How about a brain trauma doctors on the side line of every team that decided when a player can re-enter a game after a violent hit? How about a new helmet design? How about massive fines and suspensions for guys that can't follow the rules and continue to use their head or cause concussions for other players?

Additionally, the players themselves need to be educated about concussions so that they're able to say "Enough".

Reading about Seau's constant headaches and neck pain, along with Fred McCreary's description of what he deals with every day after years of hitting should be mandatory reading.

And donating brains for study will absolutely lead to more cautious decisions of whether or not a child should or shouldn't play football at a young age.

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Old 01-16-2013, 12:44 PM   #38
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I'm not sure why this draws the ire.

He was an average player that could help protect NFL players in the future.
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I'm not sure why this draws the ire.

He was an average player that could help protect NFL players in the future.
It's because it's CP.

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I just wish he'd come back to training camp next summer and beat the crap out of Jon Baldwin.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:48 PM   #41
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This will be the end of football. Not the documentary, but the concussions. Mom's and dad's won't want their kids to even start playing because of this. If it can be demonstrated that the sport, played over the course of about 20 years, can screw your brain up like this, parents won't even want their kids to get started in it.

Me, I played until sophomore year. Was a "B" teamer and special teams guy. In other words, I sucked, so I was fodder for the A team. I got my ass kicked a lot, but I stopped at the age of 16. I see no ill effects. But I quit way earlier than these guys.

I dunno. It's depressing.
I don't necessarily agree. You're right that many potential players will be kept out because of the injury risk, however many of these athletes are people for which athletics was their only option to "make it".

A lot of these guys are from low class neighborhoods where the choice is either play sports, or play on the streets. As such, I think football will survive even with growing awareness of long term repercussions.
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I'd like Cassel to donate his brain.

I will keep it alive, suspended in a vat, placing his consciousnesses in eternal hell, feeding his pain receptors constant current.
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So let's assume you started when you were at 8 years old, which is about as early as it gets. You played 8 years, total. And when you're young you seriously just aren't moving all that fast. The violence of the collisions increases as you get older.

If Jones started at the same age as you, he played your 8 years, plus 2 more HS years, plus 4 more college, plus 12 pro, so a total of 26 years. More than triple you, and MOST of those were when the action is much, much faster/harder, and the chances of concussion that might higher.

That, more than anything else, is why you're almost definitely fine, and he is probably ****ed.
And I would like to add that ONE NFL hit to the head = Entire High School "career".
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Bullshit.

You weren't being "sarcastic", at all. Anyone who throws out the "Oh, but they make millions of dollars" is outright jealous.

Furthermore, even THAT is ****ing bullshit. There are guys throughout the league earning less than $100k a year on the practice squad, guys on rookie contracts that received NO signing bonus playing for less than $200k, etc.



What else? Are you this ****ing retarded?

How about a brain trauma doctors on the side line of every team that decided when a player can re-enter a game after a violent hit? How about a new helmet design? How about massive fines and suspensions for guys that can't follow the rules and continue to use their head or cause concussions for other players?

Additionally, the players themselves need to be educated about concussions so that they're able to say "Enough".

Reading about Seau's constant headaches and neck pain, along with Fred McCreary's description of what he deals with every day after years of hitting should be mandatory reading.

And donating brains for study will absolutely lead to more cautious decisions of whether or not a child should or shouldn't play football at a young age.
Agreed. Seems the new helmet technology is already here...or at least much better helmets:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...ion-prevention

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