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Old 01-16-2013, 11:05 AM  
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WOW!!! RT ‏@mortreport Chip Kelly is the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources. No announcement yet.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:08 PM   #316
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I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.
5-13 postseason record.

I think it's safe to say he sucks in the playoffs.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:10 PM   #317
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Funny how some people just seem to have bad luck over and over and over and over
Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:20 PM   #318
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Spanos fired Marty after a 14-2 season because A.J. Smith didn't like Marty.
Actually, Marty was fired for insubordination. He insisted on trying to hire his own brother as defensive coordinator when both Dean AND AJ told him not to.

AJ and Marty bickered for sure, but they were both equally to blame, since Marty lost his shit upon finding out that AJ didn't always agree with him on all personnel decisions, and AJ eventually started giving Marty the silent treatment instead of settling differences and trying to work with him.

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Since Marty was such a problem, I'm assuming the Chargers must have gone to several Super Bowls since then. Right?

Wait, what? They didn't?

Norv Turner never took them to the promised land?
Just because the Chargers replaced Marty with a bad coach doesn't somehow make Marty into a great coach. I'll also add that Norv, for all his faults, got us a hell of a lot closer to the Super Bowl in his first year alone than Marty ever got in his whole time in San Diego.

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That's why you're so bitter. The Chargers SUCK. They had a golden opportunity to win several Super Bowls, but they decided to suck instead, and now their window has closed.
How am I "bitter" for stating facts? Marty was a bad coach in the playoffs. He made irrational changes, his playcalling was overconservative, and he had no control over his emotions. This has nothing to do with the Chargers particularly, since he pulled this shit throughout his entire career.

I'm surprised any Chiefs fan still defends his playoff performances, since he lost you a playoff game by making an unnecessary quarterback change, and another one by (shocker!) settling for too many field goals when the other team's offense was led by Dan ****ing Marino.

His 5-13 postseason record really says it all. Blame the players all you want, but Marty's teams always failed in the postseason, whether it was in Cleveland, Kansas City, or San Diego. Players came and went, GM's came and went, coordinators came and went, but the one constant in all these chokejobs was Marty himself.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:24 PM   #319
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Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.
Bullshit. His Chargers teams were loaded with talent, and he still failed in the same exact ways as he did in Kansas City and Cleveland. You can have all the talent in the world, but it doesn't matter if you can't coach them properly - this is just as true in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

Marty was a great regular season coach and a playoff choker, end of story. Unfortunately for him, once a team becomes good, they start being judged by what they do in the postseason, not the regular season.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:26 PM   #320
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That game against the Patriots was bad luck
Marlon McCree's fumble was bad luck.

Marty subsequently throwing a shitfit and challenging that clear fumble when he had zero chance of getting it overturned was bad coaching.

Inevitably losing the challenge, getting docked a timeout, and being forced to leave the game up to another known playoff choker, Nate Kaeding, was bad coaching. He obviously learned nothing from '04.

Going for it on 4th and 11 for no reason from the Pats' 30-yard line in the first quarter was bad coaching.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:28 PM   #321
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That's just a crazy development.

McCoy should be the #1 fantasy pick next year.
I imagine him and Bryce Brown split more than you think.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:28 PM   #322
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:34 PM   #323
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Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.
I mostly agree, but that kind of a record isn't born of coincidence.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:44 PM   #324
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Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.
Yes. Those individual plays were bad luck. The problem with Marty (and Herm and thank goodness John Fox) is that they play not to lose. Once you get a lead go conservative. If they would keep playing to WIN those "unlucky" plays don't matter.

It absolutely was Marty's fault he had such a piss poor post season record.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:53 PM   #325
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:05 PM   #326
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Great hire by the eagles. They need chip Kelly for the same reason we need Andy Reid.

I would have hired Gus Bradley. But this is a hire that says its super bowl or bust.

Oh, and even though it's a good hire, I still think Kelly is a weasel.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:05 PM   #327
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Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.
I WATCHED the Drive and the Fumble.

I watched the kicker that shall go unnamedt miss a kick and Tony Gonzales get called for a PI penalty that never actually happened.

I watched Marlon McCree fumble and I watched Nate Kaeding miss a kick not once but three times in the same game.

When a team is CONSTANTLY in position to lose because of ONE PLAY, that's on the coach. Period.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:10 PM   #328
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Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.
Some of his best teams were LOADED with talent. This idea that he turned a bunch of slapdicks into contenders is a myth.

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It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.
Knee Jerk reaction? Hardly.

Watching him make the same postseason mistakes over and over and over again leads one to only one conclusion - he was a horrible postseason coach.

That's not hating, that's accepting reality.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #329
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It's going to be interesting to see how much Chip Kelly's offense changes in the NFL.

More than anything else, the tempo of the offense creates issues for the defense in substituting and getting lined up.

However, that offensive tempo is drilled into the players through repetition, in practice. He runs his practices at the same tempo as he runs the gameday offense.

That won't fly in the NFL - the new CBA likely won't even allow it.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:52 PM   #330
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Yeah because one reporter, Heath Evans, wrote a dumbass article about it

I'll withhold my judgement until I see the product on the field.
I have more respect for a former player who became an espn employee than a random trolling philly fan anyday!
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