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Old 01-20-2013, 02:20 PM  
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Bruce Arians is off to a rocky, rocky start

I know, I know. I've said a lot about this. But I swear, there's new information in here that hasn't been brought up on CP. Be glad the Chiefs didn't hire him. I give him 2-3 years tops before he's on the hot seat.

Here's what we're learning:
  • Like ***** and Carl Peterson, he hires his croney friends. "There will be a common thread in this coaching staff," he said. "They will have either played for me, coached for me, some as far back as 30 years." Uh oh.
  • He demanded that Todd Bowles be his guy. The guy is going to be a disaster of a DC. Uh oh.
  • Remember that shitty 2-gap scheme that's outdated and ineffective? Guess who's spent almost his entire career coaching it? That's right. Todd Bowles. More than likely, he's replacing a perfectly good scheme for a shitty one.
  • jasonsauto, this one's for you. There is growing proof that Arians was going to hire Bowles no matter what. See the links below.
  • Arians wants to coach and call plays, and he hired a ridiculous inexperienced yes-man to be his OC. Isn't it clear this is a lousy model?

Dare I say... he's about to build Kansas City West?


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...out-in-arizona

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/201...s-taking-shape
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:20 PM   #2
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Andy Reid doesn't know anyone that he hired.

No other coach in history hires people they know or consider their friends.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:22 PM   #3
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:22 PM   #4
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Arians wants to coach and call plays, and he hired a ridiculous inexperienced yes-man to be his OC. Isn't it clear this is a lousy model?



The double standard in that comment is amazing.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:23 PM   #5
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Yeah. It was KNOWN Horton would want out if not getting the hc position.


Why would Arians want to keep him around?
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:23 PM   #6
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On getting rid of Ray Horton:
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"It needed to be a football team that was directed by me. And any time there's carry over, you don't want guys being able to go somewhere else to voice their opinion," Arians continued. "I didn't want to put Ray in the situation, that's not fair to him. If a guy's got a gripe or concern, come to me and that's just the way we're going to do business."
http://arizonasports.com/40/1602850/...ill-call-plays
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"I will have an offensive coordinator but I will call the plays," Arians said. "Until I can find someone who's going to do it better than me. I haven't found him yet."
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:23 PM   #7
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Yeah. It was KNOWN Horton would want out if not getting the hc position.


Why would Arians want to keep him around?
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Because it's always a good idea to work with people you can't get along with. See: Pioli and Haley.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:25 PM   #8
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Yeah. It was KNOWN Horton would want out if not getting the hc position.


Why would Arians want to keep him around?
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It was widely speculated well before the Cardinals hire that Arians wanted Bowles no matter what team he went to. Regardless of what team he went to, he would have pushed for the DC to be replaced with Bowles.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:25 PM   #9
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It was widely speculated well before the Cardinals hire that Arians wanted Bowles no matter what team he went to. Regardless of what team he went to, he would have pushed for the DC to be replaced with Bowles.
He wouldn't have to push. It's his staff.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:25 PM   #10
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:26 PM   #11
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Duh.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:29 PM   #13
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Andy Reid doesn't know anyone that he hired.

No other coach in history hires people they know or consider their friends.
Look at coaches who did the right thing. I'm not Andy Reid cheerleader by any stretch, but he knew the Chiefs ran a 3-4, and he hired a coach outside of his tree to run the defense. He picked a defense to fit the scheme. Even if Reid will call the plays, he also hired a strong assistant in Brad Childress who will undoubtedly be heavily involved in gameplanning.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:30 PM   #14
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Look at coaches who did the right thing. I'm not Andy Reid cheerleader by any stretch, but he knew the Chiefs ran a 3-4, and he hired a coach outside of his tree to run the defense. He picked a defense to fit the scheme. Even if Reid will call the plays, he also hired a strong assistant in Brad Childress who will undoubtedly be heavily involved in gameplanning.
Rip Reid if you're going to rip Arians for hiring an OC with no previous experience at OC and him calling plays.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:33 PM   #15
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Duh.
Rob Chudzinski. Chip Kelly. Mike McCoy. All offensive guys with a TON of offensive playcalling experience. Guess what? All three of them hired a highly experienced offensive coordinator (Norv, Shurmur, Whisenhunt).

Why are we applauding this? I hate the idea of head coaches also being coordinators (as much as I've defended Haley, this is a decision I thought was dumb from the top-down).
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