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The Sequester and/or Government Shutdown Approacheth

Anybody else ****ing fed up with this shit? 2013: Year of the Cliff.

Sequester hits March 1st. Government shutdown hits March 27th.

Here's the conversation on the fiscal cliff. Here's the conversation on the debt ceiling (which we'll be returning to by May... sigh).

The White House discusses the entirety of the impact in post 136. It's devastating.

Here's the FAQ on the sequester (from September):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ter-explained/

The sequester, explained
Posted by Suzy Khimm
on September 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm

The White House has released its plan explaining how the sequester’s mandatory spending cuts to defense and domestic spending will be implemented in 2013. Here’s the background on what the sequester is, how it happened and what happens from here:

What is the sequester?

It’s a package of automatic spending cuts that’s part of the Budget Control Act (BCA), which was passed in August 2011. The cuts, which are projected to total $1.2 trillion, are scheduled to begin in 2013 and end in 2021, evenly divided over the nine-year period. The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending — with spending on wars exempt — and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid, as the Bipartisan Policy Center explains. The total cuts for 2013 will be $109 billion, according to the new White House report.

Under the BCA, the cuts were triggered to take effect beginning Jan. 1 if the supercommittee didn’t to agree to a $1.2 trillion deficit-reduction package by Nov. 23, 2011. The group failed to reach a deal, so the sequester was triggered.

Why does everyone hate the sequester so much?

Legislators don’t have any discretion with the across-the-board cuts: They are intended to hit all affected programs equally, though the cuts to individual areas will range from 7.6 percent to 9.6 percent (and 2 percent to Medicare providers). The indiscriminate pain is meant to pressure legislators into making a budget deal to avoid the cuts.

How would these cuts affect the country?

Since the details just came out, it’s not entirely clear yet. But many top defense officials have warned that the cuts will lead the military to be “hollowed out.” Democratic legislators have similarly warned about the impact on vital social programs. And defense, health care and other industries that are significantly dependent on federal spending say that major job losses will happen if the cuts end up taking effect.

At the same time, if legislators try to avoid the sequester without replacing it with real deficit reduction, the U.S. could face another credit downgrade.

Why did Congress and the White House agree to the sequester in the first place?

The government was approaching its debt limit, which needed to be raised through a congressional vote or else the country would default in early August 2011. While Democrats were in favor of a “clean” vote without strings attached, Republicans were demanding substantial cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

President Obama and congressional leaders ultimately agreed to the BCA, which would allow the debt ceiling to be raised by $2.1 trillion in exchange for the establishment of the supercommittee tied to the fall-back sequester, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities explains. The deal also includes mandatory spending reductions on top of the sequester by putting caps on non-entitlement discretionary spending that will reduce funding by $1 trillion by 2021.

Who supported the debt-ceiling deal?

Party leaders, the White House and most members of Congress supported the debt-ceiling deal: The BCA passed on a 268-161 vote in the House, with about one-third of House Republicans and half of House Democrats opposing it. It passed in the Senate, 74-26, with six Democratic senators and 19 Republican senators opposing it.

Can the sequester be avoided?

Yes, but only if Congress passes another budget deal that would achieve at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction. Both Democrats and Republicans have offered proposals to do so, but there still isn’t much progress on a deal. The political obstacles are the same as during the supercommittee negotiations: Republicans don’t want to raise taxes to generate revenue, while Democrats are reluctant to make dramatic changes to entitlement programs to achieve savings.

What happens from here?

No one on Capitol Hill thinks any deal will happen before Election Day. After Nov. 6, Congress will have just a few weeks to come up with an alternative to the sequester. The challenge is complicated by the fact that the Bush tax cuts, the payroll tax, unemployment benefits and a host of other tax breaks are all scheduled to expire Dec. 31. The cumulative impact of all of these scheduled cuts and changes is what’s popularly known as the fiscal cliff. There’s already talk of passing a short-term stopgap budget plan during the lame-duck session to buy legislators more time to come up with a grand bargain.

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Old 02-10-2013, 08:49 PM   #166
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No it isn't hard to follow. If Obama fails to compromise he owns the terrible consequences since it was his idea and signed it into law.
That's not what the polls say.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:57 PM   #167
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That's not what the polls say.
History doesn't care what polls say.
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That's really not possible in a two party system with such vastly different constituencies across a 300 million person country.
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History doesn't care what polls say.
It's not what a ton of experts say, either.
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We're starting to see some buckling pretty early this time around.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...uts/?mobile=nc

McCain Says He’ll Consider New Revenues To Offset Sequester Cuts
By Zack Ford
on Feb 10, 2013 at 10:24 am

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) would consider new revenues to offset sequester cuts, breaking from Republican leaders who have taken new taxes off the table.

During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, McCain took “responsibility” for the GOP’s role in creating the “new cliff” of the sequester, but insisted that Congress must act to prevent cuts to military spending. He admitted that new revenue could be part of the conversation to avoid reductions to defense:

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MCCAIN: I don’t want to see taxes increased, but what I would like to see is the president call the leaders over to the White House and say, “Look, we have to solve the problem, the sequestration… We are — Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the new cliff and I’ll take responsibility for it for the Republicans, but we have got to avoid it. We have to stop it.

CHRIS WALLACE (HOST): The president says — the price of that is more taxes.

MCCAIN: The President is the same person who during the campaign said it will not happen. remember that? He dismissed it and a lot of us — Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte traveled around the country warning about what will happen as a result of sequestration… The consequences are severe and it requires bipartisanship and, will I look at revenue closers? Maybe so, but we have raised taxes. Why do we have to raise taxes again?
The sequester will have a devastating impact on already underfunded programs like early childhood education, health research, and law enforcement.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) who had agreed to a deal that included $1 trillion in revenue, has portrayed the fiscal cliff deal as “the last word” on taxes, since it included $600 billion in revenue. However, the deficit reduction achieved since 2011 has still overwhelmingly favored spending cuts to tax increases, meaning that any budget deal going forward should include new revenue in order to be truly balanced.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:33 AM   #171
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Obama embarking on three-city tour after State of the Union
By Justin Sink
02/10/13 03:52 PM ET

President Obama will circle the country in the days following the State of the Union, with stops in Asheville, N.C., Atlanta, Ga., and his adopted hometown of Chicago.

Obama will stop in North Carolina on Wednesday, Georgia on Thursday, and Illinois on Friday, the White House announced on Sunday. Administration officials did not provide details about the time and location of the public events, but the president will likely make only day trips to each of the stops.

Obama is likely to use the visits to advocate for policy proposals introduced in the State of the Union, as he has done after prior addresses to Congress. Last year, Obama traveled to Cedar Rapids, Iowa and Phoenix, Ariz. for events the day after his speech. In 2011, he traveled to Manitowoc, Wis., and in 2010, he and Vice President Joe Biden visited Tampa, Fla.

The president is expected to focus his State of the Union address primarily on economic themes, arguing for investments in infrastructure while pushing Congress to compromise on the looming sequester. The president is also likely to push the immigration and gun-control proposals he has advocated in recent weeks.

"The economy will be central to this speech and how we grow the economy so that everybody can participate, a fair shot, pay your fair share," Stephanie Cutter, the deputy campaign manager on Obama's re-election campaign, told ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "But the other things that he does lay out, he'll lay out the looming deadline on the sequester, the tough choices that we have to make around it, and the consequences if we let the sequester go into effect, and, you know, cuts to some pretty critical programs."
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Which he/they the democrats haven't done.
Of course he has. Follow the news much?
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What's everybody project happening right now?

My guess is that the sequester gets delayed for another three months.
I had thought the sequester was going to go through, at least for a couple months, but now I'm more optimistic. The GOP has recently switched its messaging from "the sequester is just fine with us, way better than taxes" to "the sequester is a disaster and its all Obama's fault." I take this as a positive sign.
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We're starting to see some buckling pretty early this time around.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...uts/?mobile=nc

McCain Says He’ll Consider New Revenues To Offset Sequester Cuts
By Zack Ford
on Feb 10, 2013 at 10:24 am

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) would consider new revenues to offset sequester cuts, breaking from Republican leaders who have taken new taxes off the table.

During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, McCain took “responsibility” for the GOP’s role in creating the “new cliff” of the sequester, but insisted that Congress must act to prevent cuts to military spending. He admitted that new revenue could be part of the conversation to avoid reductions to defense:



The sequester will have a devastating impact on already underfunded programs like early childhood education, health research, and law enforcement.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) who had agreed to a deal that included $1 trillion in revenue, has portrayed the fiscal cliff deal as “the last word” on taxes, since it included $600 billion in revenue. However, the deficit reduction achieved since 2011 has still overwhelmingly favored spending cuts to tax increases, meaning that any budget deal going forward should include new revenue in order to be truly balanced.
Did McCain ever say he'd rather let the sequester hit than accept new revenues or, instead, did you misuse the word "buckling"?
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:52 PM   #175
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I simply refuse to believe Congress won't kick this can down the road another few months.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,0,20805.story

Automatic budget cuts are almost certain
The ax is set to fall March 1 — with the first installment of $1.2 trillion in reductions over the next decade — because lawmakers can't agree on an alternative.
By Jim Puzzanghera and Richard Simon, Washington Bureau
February 9, 2013, 8:39 p.m.

WASHINGTON — In less than a month, a budget ax is set to fall on the federal government, indiscriminately chopping funding for the military and slicing money for various programs, including preschools and national parks.

The $85 billion in cuts that would take effect from March 1 through September — the first installment of $1.2 trillion in reductions over the next decade — would strike just about every agency and service in an attempt to ease the budget deficit.

The slashing, part of an automatic process known as sequestration, would affect the economy, government workers and average Americans in ways big and small. President Obama and Congress agreed to the sequestration law in 2011 hoping the threat of cuts would bring about a compromise to lower the deficit. But that hasn't happened. Now, to stop the process, Congress and Obama would have to agree to an alternative.

Though the reductions were never intended to be implemented, there is a growing belief they will kick in anyway, because Washington politicians are sharply divided on how to reduce the deficit.

Many Republicans want to spare the military by cutting more out of social programs. Obama and his fellow Democrats want to offset some of the cuts with new revenue from limiting tax loopholes.

"I just don't see how we're going to avoid it," House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (R-Santa Clarita), who is concerned about the impact on the military, said of the looming cuts. "It's like everybody has dug in their heels."

The Defense Department would take half of the budget hit and has been warning of its toll.

As many as 800,000 civilian employees of the military could be furloughed without pay for 22 days this year. The time that Air Force pilots spend in the air on training and flying missions would be reduced by 203,000 hours. And the Navy's Blue Angels precision flying squadron would cancel all of their planned performances for the last six months of the fiscal year.

"This will badly damage our national defense and compromise our ability to respond to crises in a dangerous world," Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said last week.

Because of limits on cuts to Medicare and exemptions for Social Security and other benefits, non-defense programs would face less of a spending cut — about 4.6% overall this year compared with 7.9% for the Pentagon. But on top of other reductions the last two years, the cuts would have a deep impact, according to analysts, advocacy groups and government workers.

"You're going to feel it," said Steve Bell, senior director of economic policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington. "There's no way there can't be a slowdown [in government services]. You're going to see it at a local level."

The White House said the cuts would reduce loan guarantees to small businesses, result in fewer food safety inspections, and leave hundreds of thousands of mentally ill adults and children untreated. Internal Revenue Service agents would not be available to help millions of taxpayers complete their returns, or to audit them. More than 1,000 federal agents would not be able to pursue criminals or protect the borders.

California's defense industry would face a $3.2-billion loss this year from the cuts. The state also stands to lose about $670 million in federal aid for a host of programs, including housing assistance for low-income families and funding to fight neighborhood blight, according to Federal Funds Information for States, which studies how federal decisions affect states. A planned $177-million cut in research funding to California also is causing anxiety in the UC system.

Los Angeles warns it would lose more than $100 million in federal aid this year at a time when the city is struggling to close a hole in its own budget.

"Yeah, it's going to hurt," said Long Beach Mayor Bob Foster, whose city would see cuts in federal aid for a variety of services. "Overall, it will reduce our ability to rebuild our infrastructure, reduce our ability for public security and safety, particularly around the ports, reduce our ability to provide health services for our citizens."

The National Head Start Assn. projects a loss of more than $400 million nationally, including $49 million in California, which would eliminate early eduction slots for more than 7,700 low-income children in the state.

The Assn. of State and Territorial Health Officials warned that the cuts to public health programs would put Americans "at greater risk for infectious disease outbreaks."

And the National Park Service is considering delaying the opening of some facilities at Yellowstone and other parks, said Joan Anzelmo, public affairs director of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"Instead of a 5% cut being a part of Congress' plan to help the economy, they're going to devastate the economy further with across-the-board cuts that don't take into account specifically what they are cutting," said Anzelmo, former superintendent of the Colorado National Monument.

Economists project the budget cuts would reduce the nation's total economic output by about 0.6 percentage points this year, a significant hit when growth remains sluggish. Combined with tax increases that began last month and some other federal changes, the economy would expand about 1.5% in 2013 — half of what it could grow without the fiscal tightening, the Congressional Budget Office said.
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Apparently Democrats have taken raising the Medicare eligibility age off the table.

Klein's reading on it:

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The White House wants more revenues, and they want to get them through tax reform. But they’re not going to get $1 trillion in newer revenues. They’re hoping, at best, for another $600 billion or so. But that’s not enough for the administration to take the hit on the Medicare eligibility age. So they’re making their base happy and taking it off the table.

Does that mean it’s really off the table? Well, if Boehner went to the White House tomorrow and offered $1 trillion in new revenues, half of which would come via a carbon tax, in return for Medicare eligibility, I’m pretty certain the White House would hear him out. But the White House is pretty sure Boehner’s not going to offer that deal.
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Apparently Democrats have taken raising the Medicare eligibility age off the table.

Klein's reading on it:
Which is more proof democrats care more about their own political lives than doing what the country needs.
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Which is more proof democrats care more about their own political lives than doing what the country needs.
I think it just says they're interested in smart cuts to entitlements, rather than dumb, regressive cuts.
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I think it just says they're interested in smart cuts to entitlements, rather than dumb, regressive cuts.
So if the republicans agreed to a carbon tax to increase revenue the democrats would be open to dumb, regressive entitlement cuts?
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