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Old 01-25-2013, 05:27 PM  
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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:32 PM   #136
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First I'd heard mention of anything like this. Thoughts?
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Saw that; can't imagine there's any validity to it.
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I don't know that I'd even be happy about that deal, even though we are desperate for a SS.
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I don't know that I'd even be happy about that deal, even though we are desperate for a SS.
Not that desperate.

Best prospect since Pujols and we trade him? You don't trade someone who has the HOF as a potential ceiling for a year and a half of another player.
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Shelby's the #5 and Cedeno got red tagged.

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Shelby's the #5 and Cedeno got red tagged.

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Surely kozma can hit better than the .200 that Cedeno would have hit.
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Not that desperate.

Best prospect since Pujols and we trade him? You don't trade someone who has the HOF as a potential ceiling for a year and a half of another player.
Why would you only get a year and a half from Profar?

He's every bit the prospect O-Tav is and you would have him for 6 years. In a system flush with corner OF bats, why not try to allocate an OFer for a SS?
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Surely kozma can hit better than the .200 that Cedeno would have hit.
Kozma had a slash line of .232/292/.355 in AAA last year.

You hope that he can give you league average defense and hit about 12 homers. A .700 OPS would be a ****ing miracle.
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Why would you only get a year and a half from Profar?

He's every bit the prospect O-Tav is and you would have him for 6 years. In a system flush with corner OF bats, why not try to allocate an OFer for a SS?
Conflated Profrar with Andrus.
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It's an interesting trade offer in that it really does work extremely well for both sides.

But man oh man, you'd better trust the hell out of your scouts.

Profar's ceiling on offense is probably not as high as O-Tavs, but it's close. I actually like his approach more than I like Tavaraez's. But Tavarez has the body and bat whip to be a big time middle of the order hitter with outstanding contact skills.

As a run producer, I don't care about your BB rate if you're still commanding the strike zone. Tavarez seems to do that nicely. But ultimately, he's still just a corner OFer. If you can get a 25/25 SS with a plus glove, that's as valuable as a 40 HR OFer. Or at least damn close. And in a system with a lot of guys that can hit but very few that can play SS, it's a trade you have to consider.

I'd rather trade Holliday for Andrus, but I don't see that happening.
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Taveras is a safer bet, but he gives you less surplus value. I'd roll w/ Oscar.

Try and move Adams and an arm for Hardy at the deadline when the Orioles are 12 back.
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Taveras is a safer bet, but he gives you less surplus value. I'd roll w/ Oscar.

Try and move Adams and an arm for Hardy at the deadline when the Orioles are 12 back.
I'd rather have Adams and Profar than O-Tav and Hardy.

Adams is going to be a .280 hitter w/ 30 HR power in short order. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Hardy and I damn sure wouldn't include an arm.

All that kid has done at every level he's ever been at is mash the ball.
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I'd rather have Adams and Profar than O-Tav and Hardy.

Adams is going to be a .280 hitter w/ 30 HR power in short order. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Hardy and I damn sure wouldn't include an arm.

All that kid has done at every level he's ever been at is mash the ball.
Where is he going to play? Craig just got extended, Taveras is going to right in all likelihood. Unless you want to use Taveras as the 70% RFer, 20% CFer, 10% LF, with Craig spelling occasional time at a COF spot and Adams filling in there.
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Where is he going to play? Craig just got extended, Taveras is going to right in all likelihood. Unless you want to use Taveras as the 70% RFer, 20% CFer, 10% LF, with Craig spelling occasional time at a COF spot and Adams filling in there.
Well in my scenario, Taveras has gone to Texas so Craig goes straight into RF in the long term. Short term, with 648 games to play between LF/CF/RF and 1b, You could use slide Craig to 1b when needed and Beltran to CF when needed and get 130 games out of each of them if you so chose. Giving each of those guys a day off/wk isn't a bad idea at all. Craig, Jay and Holliday all have a tendency to get banged up and Beltran completely ran out of gas.

And in the process, you could give Adams a chance to establish legitimate trade value. I'm not a fan of trading him for 1.5 years of Hardy. If he shows that he can be a hitter at this level, he's probably a 2-3 WAR player pretty easily; that's a $12 million asset on the open market; it's worth more than JJ Hardy.

I have no interest in trading low on Matt Adams when we have places for him to play.
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