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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 06-10-2013, 03:13 PM   #1816
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My only consolation is trying to know more about sports than most other guys. It's probably why I put so much focus into fantasy baseball.

I don't HATE the Cardinals, though (Some fans? Sure. You have a lot of douchy t-shirt followers, just like any good team). This board actually has my favorite collection of Cardinals fans on the interwebs. Good balance of knowledge, fandom and objectivity.
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Hypothetically you guys need to trade for a closer, who you would rather have - Greg Holland or Jim Johnson?
How the **** is this even a debate? Holland. Johnson is Ryan Franklin.


Holland's FIP is 40% of Johnson's and his K rate is over twice as high. That's just asinine.
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Are you sure you're not ChiefsandO's Fan?

Holland in a walk.

EDIT: Oh...I see that this was actually in response to ChiefsandO's Fan.

My opinion on Orioles fans is stated a few times here already - they're just cute. It's like they're all 8 year olds anytime the Orioles do something even remotely decent.

"Our closer is the bestest closer in the whole world and we would trade him for anything!"

Then they'll try to offer the 5 worst players on their roster for your best player "Because 5 is more than 1, so 5 is better".

Orioles fans....they're just so dang adorable.
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How the **** is this even a debate? Holland. Johnson is Ryan Franklin.
I'd have to go with Holland too, Jim Johnson is one of those flash in the pan closers to me, I'd say hes more John Rocker without the racist comments.
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Side note:

Chiefs and Os would like to know what the Cardinals think of the following trade offer that helps both teams...

Jon Schoop
Jair Jurrjens
Jake Arrieta
Xavier Avery

for Matt Holliday and Kolten Wong

Sure, Matt Holliday is an established slugger, but he hasn't faced the pitching in the best division in baseball, the AL East, so he's not as good as he seems. The Cardinals don't have room for Wong, who is blockd by Carpenter and Freese. Plus, the Cards get a top 100 prospect and two upside pitchers back. And Xavier Avery has good speed and surprising pop.
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CandO got pissy when we laughed at him for listing Jim Johnson as part of an "elite" group that is better than Greg Holland.

Hilarity (and verbal evisceration) ensued, but I guess he wants some more.
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Side note:

Chiefs and Os would like to know what the Cardinals think of the following trade offer that helps both teams...

Jon Schoop
Jair Jurrjens
Jake Arrieta
Xavier Avery

for Matt Holliday and Kolten Wong

Sure, Matt Holliday is an established slugger, but he hasn't faced the pitching in the best division in baseball, the AL East, so he's not as good as he seems.
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CandO got pissy when we laughed at him for listing Jim Johnson as part of an "elite" group that is better than Greg Holland.

Hilarity (and verbal evisceration) ensued, but I guess he wants some more.
Yeah, I saw what you were referencing and amended my post accordingly.

It's the same damn thing every single time with those idiots. Every trade offer is the same (as you noted in your later post) and every argument is identical.

It's simply how they breed them in Oriole-land.
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Trevor Rosenthal is better than either. Damn sure wouldn't trade him for either of those 2.
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