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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:06 PM   #1966
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As much as Matheny, I'd like to have seen Mabry's impact on him.

The Cardinals most assuredly didn't fleece Toronto in that trade, they'd make it 100 times out of 100.

The Cardinals, in fact, still lost that trade by virtue of the fact that Jackson and Dotel could've been acquired for nothing more than the salary relief the Blue Jays gave the White Sox that morning to acquire them.

The Cardinals wanted to get rid of a player to appease a manager. At the least they should've held out and sent him to the Rays for Cobb as rumored, then turned around and offered the salary relief for Dotel and Jackson.

The players we got were huge, but they shouldn't have cost Rasmus.

And yes, 1000X times yes, I'd give up assets for Jose Reyes. His teammates love him and he'd bring even more energy to the squad. He an absolutely perfect fit for the team.
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As much as Matheny, I'd like to have seen Mabry's impact on him.

The Cardinals most assuredly didn't fleece Toronto in that trade, they'd make it 100 times out of 100.

The Cardinals, in fact, still lost that trade by virtue of the fact that Jackson and Dotel could've been acquired for nothing more than the salary relief the Blue Jays gave the White Sox that morning to acquire them.

The Cardinals wanted to get rid of a player to appease a manager. At the least they should've held out and sent him to the Rays for Cobb as rumored, then turned around and offered the salary relief for Dotel and Jackson.

The players we got were huge, but they shouldn't have cost Rasmus.

And yes, 1000X times yes, I'd give up assets for Jose Reyes. His teammates love him and he'd bring even more energy to the squad. He an absolutely perfect fit for the team.
If he's healthy, yeah, I'm probably in for that. I'd probably even think about flipping Wong plus for him if I had too. What is Reyes contract like? Anyone know, I'm too lazy to look it up.

If you think, which I do, that Carpenter is the answer at 2nd base, Wong is blocked.

Carpenter
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Jay (Rasmus)

And in accordance with the Mabry/Matheny/Rasmus talk
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:12 PM   #1968
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Reyes is a great fit, but the cost in prospects, combined with his salary and complete inability to stay healthy gives me significant pause:
Breakdown of Reyes contract with #Marlins: $10 mil, $10 mil, $16 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil. $22 mil option on '18 with $4 mil buyout.



You'd be in the second year of that $10 mil, which means you're on the hook for 4.5/88+4 million
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It would all depend on what you have to give up. If the Jays keep sucking tits, maybe a firesale goes down. I think Kozma is probably good enough, but Reyes would make this team way more scary.

Kozma's defensive statistics were actually a little surprising when I looked at them, I thought for some reason he had been worse.
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Eeesh, that contract makes that pretty unbearable.
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I don't understand why anyone thinks that trade is a remote possibility. Hell, let's trade for Trout too, that solves our CF problem for the next 15 years.
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Reyes is a great fit, but the cost in prospects, combined with his salary and complete inability to stay healthy gives me significant pause:
Breakdown of Reyes contract with #Marlins: $10 mil, $10 mil, $16 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil. $22 mil option on '18 with $4 mil buyout.



You'd be in the second year of that $10 mil, which means you're on the hook for 4.5/88+4 million
It would depend on it Toronto would pick up part of the contract in the deal. Obviously he would be a great upgrade but the dollars would have to work.
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The national television deal for MLB doubles next year, that's a lot more revenue to all squads.

Reyes deal will appear plenty reasonable in short order, IMO.

If all it took was Wong and a decent prospect, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

But I doubt the jays move him, they have plenty of money and nothing much else in the pipe for shortstop.
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Reyes is a great fit, but the cost in prospects, combined with his salary and complete inability to stay healthy gives me significant pause:
Breakdown of Reyes contract with #Marlins: $10 mil, $10 mil, $16 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil. $22 mil option on '18 with $4 mil buyout.



You'd be in the second year of that $10 mil, which means you're on the hook for 4.5/88+4 million
No way do I want this contract. Reyes is not a $22MM a year player IMO. The Cardinals have stayed competitive by avoiding this exact type of move.
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I seriously doubt Reyes' ability to stay healthy. He's little different than Tulowitzki and Furcal in that regard. Good player, but he's not dependable.
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