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Old 01-25-2013, 04:27 PM  
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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:39 PM   #3226
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I understand the questions about Martinez, and I would make him available for the right price, but it would be a very, very high bar to clear.
Sure. Hell, EVERYONE is available, for the right price.

But if I'm moving a package of Taveras AND Martinez, it better damn well be for more than Profar.
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Sure. Hell, EVERYONE is available, for the right price.

But if I'm moving a package of Taveras AND Martinez, it better damn well be for more than Profar.
James Shields?
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James Shields?
Maybe so.

I was thinking more so doing it for a SS, but doing it for a pitcher wouldn't be a bad idea.

Although I would rather do it for a lefty if we are in a perfect world.

Hypothetically, would you move those 2 for Cole Hamels?
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Maybe so.

I was thinking more so doing it for a SS, but doing it for a pitcher wouldn't be a bad idea.

Although I would rather do it for a lefty if we are in a perfect world.

Hypothetically, would you move those 2 for Cole Hamels?
I was lampooning the Royals...

Here is who I would move those two for:

Mike Trout
Miguel Cabrera
Matt Harvey
Kershaw
Verlander
Cargo
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I was lampooning the Royals...

Here is who I would move those two for:

Mike Trout
Miguel Cabrera
Matt Harvey
Kershaw
Verlander
Cargo
I was going to say, must be the meds talking.

If I were moving those 2 in a package, I'd add in Wong and go get a stud.

Personally, with the success the Cardinals have had with their own prospects, I'm not keen on moving anyone, but if you can do it for a cornerstone, you do it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:52 PM   #3231
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I have hopes that in a few years, we go outbid the Angels for Trout.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #3232
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I have hopes that in a few years, we go outbid the Angels for Trout.
It would be nice, but the Hamilton contract proves that can never happen.

Hamilton signed through 2017 and the deal is heavily backloaded. The final year is worth a staggering $32 million. Which means that in 2018, the LA Angels will have shed a $32 million payroll obligation from the year before.

Guess when Mike Trout becomes a free agent? Yup, 2018. And don't think for a moment that the Angels didn't have that in mind when they offered Hammy the deal they offered him.

Folks - the bidding on Mike Trout starts at $32/million because the Angels clearly worked that into their salary structure. You really think the Cardinals are going to be able to beat that?
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It would be nice, but the Hamilton contract proves that can never happen.

Hamilton through 2017 and it's backloaded. The final year is worth a staggering $32 million. Which means that in 2018, the LA Angels will have shed a $32 million payroll obligation from the year before.

Guess when Mike Trout becomes a free agent? Yup, 2018. And don't think for a moment that the Angels didn't have that in mind when they offered Hammy the deal they offered him.

Folks - the bidding on Mike Trout starts at $32/million because the Angels clearly worked that into their salary structure. You really think the Cardinals are going to be able to beat that?

Yup. There is 0 chance that the Cardinals ever sniff Trout unless there is a Joe Horn situation in that locker room, or if Moreno ends up in financial straits like McCourt (and fat chance of that).
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I don't think the Cardinals would or will ever go outbid a team like the Angels for someone. It's not economical for them IMO.

However, if Taveras is what they think he is, it won't matter.

I'm looking forward to the future potential rotation we can toss out there.

Waino
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Martinez (if he works out)
Wacha (if he works out)
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Sure, they don't "need" him, but I don't think anyone wouldn't take him.
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Kozma with a much better approach as of late. Jay as well.
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