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Old 01-26-2013, 04:59 PM  
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So, you say you aren't just a party line type of person?

Ok, let's just see how reasonable people here are. I want you to tell us what policies, concepts, beliefs, you support that are championed by an opposing party.

Of course I will start.

As a right leaning person I support the Left on the following...

1. Gay marriage
2. Legalize Pot
3. Streamlined immigration process
4. Abortion for rape and incest victims
5. Stronger background checks on firearms
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:46 PM   #61
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I don't agree with the modern Republican party on hardly anything. The Tea Party and I are miles apart on just about everything.

I've come to appreciate a ton of ideologically conservative ideas that the Republican Party has shunned, however.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:01 PM   #62
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Your in a dream world there. We have 200 troops in Iraq and no bases. What the hell are you thinking?

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Bahrain has the 3rd largest USA Naval base in the world. It can handle 2 complete Aircraft carrier groups at the same time.

Qatar has the biggest and best base in the middle east.

These will remain our "friends" forever. They are rich and have no way to defend themselves against their Arab neighbors that would want to take their treasure. By our mere presence, we are the security guards guarding their treasure that cant be replaced.
Don't we have some 6000 embassy security personnel? Hence the quotes around "base". I never meant to imply we have a stategic base to launch operations from. Wrt to Qatar and Bahrain, having Iraq as an ally in the region helps us in different ways, but still very valuable.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:03 PM   #63
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I'm fine with food stamps as it is. It mitigates damage to kids done by parents who don't have their priorities straight. But no we shouldn't be autosigning people up. I wasn't aware that was being done.

On the SEC, I wouldn't say more harm than good but regulatory capture is over the top right now. If our regulators made better salaries, we would see less regulatory capture. The SEC is cracking down on insider trading currently. They are finally going after the big boys on that now. It's nice. Under Bush's SEC they only went after small fries.
It doesn't matter how much you pay the SEC regulators if they know there's a $200 million payday waiting for them at the end of their tenure. The only way I can see to eradicate this is major restrictions on the revolving door. Something like you can't work in the financial industry for 20 years or longer after leaving the SEC.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:11 PM   #64
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Pro-weed
Pro-life
Pro-Capital punishment
Pro-Gun. No more new laws. Enforce what is already there.
Homosexuals are humans. They have just as much right to be as miserable as heteros.

Small government. Very small.
How do your first two items equate to small government?

Ignoring abortion for now until you clarify your stance, I don't see out any small government champion can be for capital punishment. It costs more than putting people away for life, much more. It's also never been shown to be an actual deterrent to violent crime.

I don't have a problem philosophically with putting someone to death who has committed a heinous crime. But pragmatically, the death penalty just makes no sense. Plus there's always a chance new technology will come out and prove a person innocent after being jailed for 30 years. It's happened hundreds of times with DNA. I think those people should have a chance at life.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:19 PM   #65
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Don't we have some 6000 embassy security personnel? Hence the quotes around "base". I never meant to imply we have a stategic base to launch operations from. Wrt to Qatar and Bahrain, having Iraq as an ally in the region helps us in different ways, but still very valuable.
They are not allowed to leave the embassy armed. A violation could result in them kicking us out. They don;t need us anymore.
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I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:53 PM   #66
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[quote=Rain Man;9353864]If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.[/QU


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Old 01-27-2013, 08:08 PM   #67
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If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.
All about this. And I see more and more people going this way every year yet we have no party unless we want to vote for "fringe" parties like the Libertarians.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:11 PM   #68
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Yes, the defense industry is our largest social jobs program in the country. We spend entirely too much on failed weapon systems. Weapon systems that the military has said they never wanted or needed. Etc
This was something Rumsfeld should be remembered for taking a stand on and getting absolutely blasted for. As much as he got done in this regard, it wasn't enough. Still far too much waste in this regard.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:12 PM   #69
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I'm bipartisan. I dislike both parties. I just dislike the Dems slightly less than the Republicans. That being said, I'm usually more pissed off at the Dems because I, for some stupid reason, actually expect them to occasionally do something with which I agree.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:14 PM   #70
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This was something Rumsfeld should be remembered for taking a stand on and getting absolutely blasted for. As much as he got done in this regard, it wasn't enough. Still far too much waste in this regard.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:26 PM   #71
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The idea that if you don't believe in rubber-stamping spending on constitutional principals, that makes you big government is silly.
Our Framers would, fortunately, disagree with you.

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I label myself as fiscally conservative because I believe every spending initiative should go through a sniff test, and that that has to go beyond profit/loss and ROI. I don't mind government spending as long as there's a clear benefit and as long as it can't be done more efficiently in the private sector. That means I reject probably about 3/4 of spending on principal. Only an extreme fiscal conservative would label that position as being pro-big government.
Like I said, BIG govt. My sniff test is the Constitution. Since yours is not, then yes, you are for BIG govt. I've seen you defend corporatism too.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:01 PM   #72
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It doesn't matter how much you pay the SEC regulators if they know there's a $200 million payday waiting for them at the end of their tenure. The only way I can see to eradicate this is major restrictions on the revolving door. Something like you can't work in the financial industry for 20 years or longer after leaving the SEC.
The guys pulling that kind of cheese aren't working/have worked at the SEC. They stay in private sector the whole time.

There aren't too many guys pulling down multimillions a year. As a whole, finance is overpaid but the guys at the very top (some of whom have earned it) skew it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:43 AM   #73
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My main point of differentiation with my party is regarding abortion. I've gotten to the point where I don't even bring it up with my family or my lefter-leaning friends any more. There are other, less volatile issues for which I lean moderate-Republicanny, like welfare and preservation of the nuclear family and stuff, but that's the big one.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:49 AM   #74
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If it's a social issue, I lean left. If it's a fiscal issue, I lean right. I really need a new American political party to vote for.

I would gladly join because that's where I am.
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