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Old 01-27-2013, 05:11 PM  
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"The GOP is dead!" - say what????

I'm curious to know why this keeps getting thrown out there. Obviously, the leftwing media is pushing the meme as hard as they can. That's the main culprit. But I'm wondering why all these GOP folks are bashing the party (Christie, Jindal, Powell, etc) and saying it "has to change".


Fact: the Presidential election was won by the incumbent. Like it nearly always is. Like nearly all elections are and have been. But many people seem shocked by it. If we look at the Conressional elections for the House, the vote was essentially even at 53 million per Party. How is that a landslide in terms of voter preference?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2096978.html


Fact: In 2014, Democrats hold 9 of the top 10 Senate seats projected to have the highest likelihood of switching. You can probably add Iowa to that list now with Harkin leaving:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ough-2014-map/



Here's the current tally of US Leadership:

1) The GOP has a 230-200 lead in the House with a 54-46% lead in reps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_U...tates_Congress

2) The GOP has 30 Governorships now, their highest total since 34 during the 1920s:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/06/politi...ces/index.html

3) The GOP has a 31-17 advantage in State Houses, with a 55-44% lead in State Reps:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...f_state_houses

4) The GOP has a 28-19 advantage in State Senates, with 52-44% lead in total Senators:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph..._state_senates




Net: If you want to talk about a bad time for the GOP, the 1930s and the 1960s (look at the carnage here after the 1964 elections: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_Un...tates_Congress). Those were terrible times. Totally shut out of power at every level of Federal & State government. But that is hardly the case today. The gnashing of teeth may stop at any moment.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:48 PM   #16
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As long as there's a two party system, the GOP cannot die.

It is systematically sustained by a system rigged to allow only two parties to survive.

Unless the entire party goes full retard for something like a full decade, the GOP will always live on.
yep, they will just lose the chance at the executive branch.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:57 PM   #17
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It's not just a "left wing media meme".

The exact same media said the democrats were dead after the 04 election. And in 4 years they took back the presidency. The Republican party isn't dead. It just hasn't been forward thinking enough in my opinion. Still pushing the agendas of abortion, drug war, and failing to be the party of small government.

In 4 years the pendulum could very well swing back if the R's can find a candidate to appeal to a wide spectrum. And even if the pendulum doesn't swing back, the system is set up for two parties. They aren't going to just give up that power.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:08 PM   #18
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It's not just a "left wing media meme".

The exact same media said the democrats were dead after the 04 election. And in 4 years they took back the presidency. The Republican party isn't dead. It just hasn't been forward thinking enough in my opinion. Still pushing the agendas of abortion, drug war, and failing to be the party of small government.

In 4 years the pendulum could very well swing back if the R's can find a candidate to appeal to a wide spectrum. And even if the pendulum doesn't swing back, the system is set up for two parties. They aren't going to just give up that power.
Pretty much, both parties have been written off at different times through out the years. It is amusing to read the clowns chime in so proud of themselves claiming this as fact
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:10 PM   #19
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Not dead. Just stuck in the past. If they'd drop the idiotic, backward, irrelevant moralizing, and just stick with a message based in financial logic (which I don't think they truly believe in, demonstrably), I'd be more or less on board with them.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:15 PM   #20
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Not dead. Just stuck in the past. If they'd drop the idiotic, backward, irrelevant moralizing, and just stick with a message based in financial logic (which I don't think they truly believe in, demonstrably), I'd be more or less on board with them.
This is well said.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:53 PM   #21
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The GOP governs much more land, partly due to gerrymandering. But they're losing the population battle, and slipping further all the time.
Governorships and state legislatures is not due to gerrymandering. Gerrymandering, the power to,
stems from election wins. You make it sound like it's all sinister and not based on how people voted.
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Not dead. Just stuck in the past. If they'd drop the idiotic, backward, irrelevant moralizing, and just stick with a message based in financial logic (which I don't think they truly believe in, demonstrably), I'd be more or less on board with them.
I agree with this part. Just not for the grassroots just the politicians.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:57 PM   #23
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I'm curious to know why this keeps getting thrown out there. Obviously, the leftwing media is pushing the meme as hard as they can. That's the main culprit. But I'm wondering why all these GOP folks are bashing the party (Christie, Jindal, Powell, etc) and saying it "has to change".

Well, we know Powell and Christie are Establishment which is BIG government. I didn't think Jindal was but perhaps he wants to run so he has to wash the feet of the Establishment. The Establishment does not want less govt, but more power, more hegemony and more empire. So I suspect, since they essentially are supported by the big guns of the media, this is an attempt to drive out the Tea Party types...this means they're concerned...because despite not hearing about it on big media it continues to grow.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:04 PM   #24
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Is not dead.

It is just spineless with no direction.
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Not dead. Just stuck in the past. If they'd drop the idiotic, backward, irrelevant moralizing, and just stick with a message based in financial logic (which I don't think they truly believe in, demonstrably), I'd be more or less on board with them.
I agree completely.

The Republican party may not be dead, but it's got a terminal illness. Every single demographic is working against it in the long run. Republicans are older, more rural, and more white. The Democrats are getting more voters every day among minorities and urban populations while the Republicans bury their seniors. When you combine that with the fact that the Republican social policies are firmly imbedded in the 1950s, you have a party that's dying.
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I agree completely.

The Republican party may not be dead, but it's got a terminal illness. Every single demographic is working against it in the long run. Republicans are older, more rural, and more white. The Democrats are getting more voters every day among minorities and urban populations while the Republicans bury their seniors. When you combine that with the fact that the Republican social policies are firmly imbedded in the 1950s, you have a party that's dying.
I thought that they would reexamine themselves, and try to evolve, when they lost with McCain doing his best Bush Junior impersonation. Then they rolled Romney out there...
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Not dead. Just stuck in the past. If they'd drop the idiotic, backward, irrelevant moralizing, and just stick with a message based in financial logic (which I don't think they truly believe in, demonstrably), I'd be more or less on board with them.
What exactly would that be?
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What exactly would that be?
I'm sure if you noodle it through, you'll figure out what i'm talking about. Other people seem to be able to grasp it.
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I'm sure if you noodle it through, you'll figure out what i'm talking about. Other people seem to be able to grasp it.
I'd like to know what you think the most important issues are facing the country. Say like the top 5.
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I'd like to know what you think the most important issues are facing the country. Say like the top 5.
economy, energy, the breeding poor, corporatist politicians, downward pressure on wages. Just off the top of my head.
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