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Old 01-28-2013, 08:11 AM  
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Scott Piolli's Top 10 Underclassmen

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I asked former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, who was in the midst of finalizing the club's preliminary draft board when fired early this month, to examine the record 73 underclass players who declared for the draft and pick the top 10, in his mind. His view of the junior board:

First of all, Jan. 28 is a dangerous time to commit to "top players" in any category, particularly underclassmen. There is still a lot of work to do before we know who and what these players are. Sometimes players look better with less information. NFL rules don't allow teams to officially scout underclassmen during fall campus visits, and scouts can't comment publicly on them either. When scouts go into school visits in the fall, they are not allowed to ask questions about underclassmen when speaking with coaches, trainers and any other support staff. Obviously, scouts and team officials with relationships with coaches or other school officials might glean some information regarding the players prematurely, but the understanding is clear on campuses: We're there to scout the fourth-year players, not anyone younger.

So you might ask, "Well, how do you have an idea about how the underclassmen will be rated so soon after they've declared?" I'll give you an example. I went to Tallahassee this year to scout Florida State prospects. Four other Chiefs' scouts were on campus as well during the year. We all watched tape, and we watched practice. When it comes to defensive end Bjoern Werner, for instance, we obviously saw him stand out on tape and in person. So it's not difficult to understand why he's so highly regarded by NFL teams: Watching Florida State, Werner's production jumps out at you.

This draft may have a record number of underclassmen, but it may not be the quality that people are expecting. How I see the top 10 juniors now, keeping in mind the fact-finding on them will be ongoing for the next three months before the draft:

1. Luke Joeckel, T, Texas A&M. Strong candidate for the first overall pick. Three-year starter at left tackle in the Big 12 and never red-shirted. A true height-weight-speed prospect who plays with good athleticism and body control. Will play early while he develops better hip and core strength. Good teammate too.

2. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama. One of the youngest players in the draft (20), but a very experienced corner from the best-coached DB group in the country. Milliner has the flexibility, intelligence and experience to play outside corner and also line up in the slot. Should contribute on special teams early in his career.

3. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida. Also 20, Floyd is a strong, athletic defensive lineman who, at 6-foot-3 and 303 pounds, has position and scheme versatility. Good competitor and tough player against the run and pass. Not great sack numbers, but consistently disruptive in the pass rush, and the type of player who makes those around him better by making the offense concentrate so much on stopping him.

4. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State. Born in Germany, Werner learned football while at a Connecticut prep school as an exchange student. Played just two prep years before signing with Florida Stats. Two-year starter at left end in FSU's base and sub packages who shows surprising natural instincts, good hand strength and athletic ability. Pretty impressive to see he had 13 sacks in the ACC in the 2012 season.

5. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State. At 6-3 and 335, he still has the athleticism to line up at multiple positions on the line -- not just at the nose. Active and instinctive, and showed improvement from 2011. Very good player versus the run that needs to continue to improve his every-down consistency.

6. Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama. Low-mileage rusher (355 carries in three seasons with the Tide) who played behind two outstanding backs early in his career (Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson). Averaged 6.8 yards per rush in his college career behind an offensive line better than some NFL lines. Good receiving skills, and a willing blocker. He should be an every-down back in the NFL.

7. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia. Began his college career at USC in 2009 and transferred closer to home after suffering a neck injury his true freshman year. Highly instinctive and productive college player, but at 6-3 and 241, could be a tough positional fit. Dominated certain games (Florida), disappeared in others (Alabama).

8. Keenan Allen, WR, Cal. Originally committed to Alabama out of HS, but decided to join his QB brother Zach to play together at Cal. Allen is a big (6-3, 210), savvy and highly competitive WR who has played the slot and outside. Lacks top speed, but is very natural and quick. In a WR class that appears to lack elite players, he may be the best.

9. Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia. Tremendously talented athlete at 6-3 and 232, and should be an every-down NFL inside 'backer or middle 'backer. Has the skill and ability to contribute immediately all defenses as well as special teams. Jumps off the tape and could have the most upside of any underclassman in the draft. But some off-the-field issues will need to be studied before giving him a final grade.

10. Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State. Three-year starter who was hampered this season by a knee injury that he played through. Good height-weight-speed prospect at 6-6 and 255 who right now is more receiver than blocker. I'm high on his ability to produce as an offensive tight end right now in the more wide-open NFL offenses. He's what we call an "F-type'' tight end, a receiver who can play off the line probably more productively than as a blocker right now.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:16 PM   #121
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So we are back to the ol "you guys don't know as much about football as these guys, they are GM's in de NFL" line.


There are about 6 or 7 guys on CP, that I would put in a room together and they could have drafted better than *****, the GM of the decade, ever did.
You could throw darts at a board and draft better than *****, what the **** does that prove, and what does that have to do with Reid and Dorsey? Pioli is gone, we are talking about NOW.

Another strawman, since I wasn't talking about *****. Is that all you guys can do?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:17 PM   #122
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So we would have ended up with Gholston and Clausen top 10 then?
Right

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:17 PM   #123
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You could throw darts at a board and draft better than *****, what the **** does that prove, and what does that have to do with Reid and Dorsey? ***** is gone, we are talking about NOW.

Another strawman, since I wasn't talking about *****. Is that all you guys can do?
Do you have a drool cup handy when you type?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:18 PM   #124
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Next to BlackDouche, you're THE dumbest mother****er that posts in the forum.

According to YOU, no one knows anything about football.

No one knows anything about Hawaiians.

No knows anything about the economy, their own businesses, the universe, pussy, the clitoris and most definitely, no one knows anything about anything.

You're a ****ing moron. **** off.

Oh, if I wasn't clear, **** OFF.
**** you. At least I'm not the biggest asshole here, like you are.

I wasn't talking to you, dumbshit.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:18 PM   #125
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Do you have a drool cup handy when you type?
Strawmen, we have plenty of them here. All anyone here has done is attack things I HAVEN'T said.

Can anyone here read?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:20 PM   #126
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**** you. At least I'm not the biggest asshole here, like you are.

I wasn't talking to you, dumbshit.


You're a drooling ****ing Mongo.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:21 PM   #127
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Strawmen, we have plenty of them here. All anyone here has done is attack things I HAVEN'T said.

Can anyone here read?
Apparently, YOU can't read.

I attacked EXACTLY what you've said.

Mongo.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:24 PM   #128
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You're a drooling ****ing Mongo.
Did you get your mom to type that for you?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:26 PM   #129
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Did you get your mom to type that for you?
No, I had your mother type it while my dick was in her mouth.

You're a ****ing retard but your mom gives good head.

She's even better at anal.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:27 PM   #130
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Apparently, YOU can't read.

I attacked EXACTLY what you've said.

Mongo.
What I said IN RESPONSE TO A STRAWMAN ATTACK.

****ing idiots here. I said Reid and Dorsey have both put together SB teams, and someone attacked me by saying 4 or 5 people here could draft better than Pioli. Can't you see how the attack was on something I never said? Then I tell them I never said that and you attack me, you dumb mother****er.

And you are so ****ing stupid I have to explain to you why it is a strawman.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:28 PM   #131
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What I said IN RESPONSE TO A STRAWMAN ATTACK.

****ing idiots here. I said Reid and Dorsey have both put together SB teams, and someone attacked me by saying 4 or 5 people here could draft better than *****. Can't you see how the attack was on something I never said? Then I tell them I never said that and you attack me, you dumb mother****er.

And you are so ****ing stupid I have to explain to you why it is a strawman.


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Old 01-28-2013, 10:28 PM   #132
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No, I had your mother type it while my dick was in her mouth.

You're a ****ing retard but your mom gives good head.

She's even better at anal.
She turned 89 in September. You always go for women that old?
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She turned 89 in September. You always go for women that old?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:29 PM   #134
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I didn't think you would understand. You would have to have an IQ over 65.
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You could throw darts at a board and draft better than *****, what the **** does that prove, and what does that have to do with Reid and Dorsey? ***** is gone, we are talking about NOW.

Another strawman, since I wasn't talking about *****. Is that all you guys can do?
Well they honestly could draft better than Reid lately and Dorsey has never drafted. SO??????
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